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like a curse or a hex this is life

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wheelbarrow full of regrets i do this

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this is not for the block this is for my

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people trying to think out the box

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good evening ladies and gentlemen across

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the world and the inter-tubes

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i'm your host chris george zuger and you

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have entered the den of lore grab your

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glasses of scotch pull your chair up to

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well because apparently we are going to

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this tom delong stuff i'm trying to be a

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little bit more fair and balanced in my

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broadcasting ways so i've got a panel of

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on the show today i'm going to be

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introducing them all to you and i know

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some others have joined

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in the last little while so i

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den of lore uh michael huntington who is

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uh the host of enigmas and [\h__\h] along

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and i believe we've got uh darren coming

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you're on camera darren pleasure to have

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there we go and i know that we've got

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i'm garrett lee with uh i'm here with

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i'm rich giordano from the paranormal

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realist and skeptic and i am here to

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strange travels blog so you can go check

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announcement um i'm pretty well sure at

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this point that my feelings have been

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enigmas and [\h__\h] that i made uh

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which i know for anybody out there can

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be very difficult to believe yes all i'm

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the folks at home that would be much

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all right well uh for those who have not

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ufo media ufo journalism

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uh what has been happening the past

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he is a ufo aficionado and that he has

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to get inside

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surrounding uh the phenomenon and uh he

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put forth an entertainment company uh to

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the stars and he has a number of

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projects and he has put out some books

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fiction books as well as

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pseudo-fiction conspiracy type books uh

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related to the subject

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and uh he has baited he has promised uh

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uh over the past uh years so uh that he

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was going to reveal some

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some big things uh relative

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relative to the ufo phenomenon

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and or relative to uh projects that uh

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he has been working on with uh

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with uh some people within uh

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high positions uh last year this uh

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this subject with uh

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with tom and the secret contacts uh it

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came to the uh the mainstream media and

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verified that he was

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at least having conference calls with

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positions so that added a little bit of

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credibility to his to his accounts uh

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tom does have a reputation of of uh you

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know being excitable and uh putting

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that's that's sort of his his reputation

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uh but when the wikileaks thing came

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it added credibility so much to where uh

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tom was actually named by the

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international ufo congress

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uh last february february as the ufo

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researcher of the year which uh received

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some mixed responses within the ufo

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goods yet and since that time he has

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coast to coast uh making promises of

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bigger things to come and uh a few weeks

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the to the stars academy of arts and

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which has tapped a number of uh

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as well as uh and and this is primarily

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to promote tom's uh

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continued entertainment ventures and

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when they had a press conference a

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couple of weeks ago in seattle they

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revealed this uh initiative

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crowdfunding

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uh that seeks investors and uh

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two million dollars uh in funds that

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they've gained

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and probably part of his fan base

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um and that's what we're here to talk

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tonight about uh whether or not uh

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tom is an asset to the ufo community to

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the ufo discourse uh if he's going to

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fulfill his promises

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uh you know what's the deal with uh

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these intelligence guys uh can they

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build the technology do that do they

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have enough funds uh what can we look

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forward to

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uh what can we uh

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what can we give our input with regards

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as to how it plays out within the uh

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the whole ufo subject so uh

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i guess we can go on from there okay

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fantastic now the first one i know i

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know this is something that you uh

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gentlemen have not probably seen yet but

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uh exclaimed magazine exclaimed.c it's a

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canadian publication uh yesterday

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released a an article by josiah hughes

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if to all of you americans

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and the head with the headline stating

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tom delong wants you to stop calling him

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crazy for researching aliens

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so the first thing that i'm going to

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throw out to everyone is whether

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researching aliens

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i think it's necessary

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i mean it's it's kind of a logical thing

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to do

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there's weird stuff or you know that you

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can't explain i think investigating is

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probably always a good idea

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um

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i just think it's where you take it from

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there that

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it's only crazy to the people who don't

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do the research and don't know the

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history

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and don't know what it's like to get out

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there and actually do the research so

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anybody who's calling you crazy i bet

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you a thousand dollars they have never

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researched at all

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and richard

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harden oh sorry and uh richard you're up

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next

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oh i i i was just speaking i i was rich

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sorry

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well no it's it should be that i'm

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actually calling your names out

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okay i'll wait till you call my name you

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want me to go now no well you you just

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had yours

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so walter go walter go ahead

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you know i was just going to say that

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it's not that there aren't aliens it's

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not that it's not worth

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digging into and researching that i

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think the problem that a lot of us have

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i'm speaking for myself is that

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right now i have zero faith that the

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long is going to bring anything to the

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table in in ufo or eet research um you

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know researcher of the year what did he

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do

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he read a bunch of books

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and okay

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he met with some guys

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you know i i question that whole

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research of the year thing but you know

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again it it's not that there aren't

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aliens it's not that um

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uh you know there aren't ufos i think

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the problem simply is that

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they're playing the field in the bad way

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and uh mj

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no i i you know to answer the first

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question i don't think it is sort of

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crazy to propose that you know

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potentially the yojo phenomenon is um

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you know

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or or originates from sort of aliens or

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extraterrestrials i don't think that's

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sort of a a crazy thing to think um and

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i sort of agree with walter here i think

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i think you know there in regards to the

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tom delong issue um you know what has he

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brought to the table

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apart from you know a handful of

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contacts and i guess contractors

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according to the company um circular

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that came out uh this group of

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contractors i guess and i have to be

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honest like it is somewhat impressive

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their pedigrees here like i mean you're

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not dealing with you know

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joe schmoe off the street to

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just sort of had an experience you're

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dealing with people who sort of i guess

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supposedly or allegedly are in the know

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so so i do have to give them credit for

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that now again you know

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is this sort of a benefit situation

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where you know as walter kind of says

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maybe they're playing the field here a

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little bit and maybe you know um mr

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delong is just a bit of a patsy i don't

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know um but that sort of remains to be

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seen or that will sort of time will only

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tell

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but no i don't think researching aliens

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or i don't think sort of the study of

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ufos or anything like that is crazy

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that's nonsense

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okay i will uh i'll just say what i said

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before is that basically you know people

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who are calling us crazy or that

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researching aliens is crazy they don't

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do the research they don't go out there

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and meet these people they don't have

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experiences i take offense to that

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actually when i hear people say that so

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i don't really talk to a lot of people

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about it in the open like i used to

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because i know they're talking about me

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behind my back so

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that's fine you know we just sift

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through this and do the best we can and

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hopefully we're not crazy in the end

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when the aliens do show their faces to

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us all

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and uh joseph do you have a comment on

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that

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his whole premises isn't really about

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just aliens in fact

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i'm afraid of i don't think he's crazy i

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don't go down that road or the agenda

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just yet because you haven't asked the

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question i don't trust the agenda

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but i think i think even him i think

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even tom himself might be being led down

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an agenda that he's not aware of

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so but that has nothing but researching

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aliens and saying that's crazy

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that's that is a bit offensive for i

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would say just like rude says for all of

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us that have actually done a little bit

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of research and i know rich has been out

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in the field so

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yeah it's kind of hard to even agree

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with that at all

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um

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yeah i don't know i think

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i think to each their own sort of thing

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it's not my cup of tea but uh

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i mean i'm i'm

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happy to

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to entertain anyone who's done it and

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and hear what they found

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and not graham

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um

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so

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you know i think uh i i obviously have

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no problem with the ufo research stuff i

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think that's great i'm a weirdo too so i

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mean if you want to be a weirdo in your

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own way that's perfectly fine

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um but the uh as far as tom's along goes

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i really it seems like the guy is

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partially honest like he's he partially

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believes what he's saying and he

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partially doesn't he knows he's he knows

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he's being used and he wants to make a

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bunch of money but i think he also

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believes these people are actually going

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to tell him something which is

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they're not there's no way unless they

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unless they're transitioning this over

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to a private sector deal

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because they think they might actually

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be able to get somewhere but they're not

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smart enough to do that so i think he's

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just i think he's being used but i do

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think there's a part of him that's

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earnest i just don't think it's all of

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them i think he definitely has ulterior

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motives as well now if i'm not mistaken

448
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uh

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joe bergia may have actually joined us

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on this call while we were getting set

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up here joe are you with us i'm here uh

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now joe is a a 20-year or 25-year

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camera operator

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of various shows out of nevada uh is has

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also been uh interested in ufos and been

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following the subject for 20 years and i

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know that he has uh if he's seen it in

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terms of show business so when it comes

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to that he is the voice to give us a

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straight deal and i know that he is in

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sugar coat stuff so i invited him on

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here and again thank you very much i

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know you've been working all day today

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um

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what have you

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uh

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well first of all

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is researching ufos a crazy subject to

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go after

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yeah for me it's

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not researching ufos is crazy and i'm

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baffled at

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the people i know that have zero

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interest and once again if you ask them

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why they have no interest they won't not

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even they won't even respond and i know

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it's because they haven't done zero

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research studying nothing i can't get

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anybody to respond except for the few

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people i know that are interested in the

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subject so it's really it's strange to

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me

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i don't know if they're afraid of it uh

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they think it's crazy but some of the

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people that are talking about it like

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today i posted something about robert

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bigelow

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take two seconds just look at the guy

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the guy is an accomplished ceo

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billionaire he might know something he

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might have studied the subject at least

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interact on the subject but people don't

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the people at least that i know 500

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people on facebook nothing zero it's

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kind of depressing

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now the next subject i'm going to go is

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more towards people who pokes videos and

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or at least will present information

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that may or may not have been hoaxed uh

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this is uh was released by the daily

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express uh

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about nine hours ago and apparently tom

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delong is has stated that u.s found an

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alien life form during the cold war

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but did not release it um this is not uh

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involving roswell

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uh and

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what i'm reading from this daily mail

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article

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again it goes first paragraph

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specifically talks about

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uh that the government has hid this

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information and the second and third

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is regarding uh the to the stars academy

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now

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there was a video that was presented to

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the world uh for the last

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uh big announcement or at least his big

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announcement uh with his staff

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what are your thoughts on that video and

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what are your thoughts on the

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credibility of to the stars based on

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well i'll go ahead and start with that

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um

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which video are you uh referring to you

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referring to the the gun camera the gun

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camera video correct

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okay uh

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yeah that's that kind of goes back to

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our last question that that that i think

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we may have missed a little bit uh you

532
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know the question was

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uh you know relative to time to long uh

534
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is there

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ufo investigation actually going on here

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and uh i would argue that uh

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unless the uh

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those scientists uh you know maybe chris

539
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mellon i think uh within tom's

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organization uh

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he's connected to ufo data that that's a

542
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group that is actually interested

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in uh

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studying the phenomenon

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uh but but

546
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as far as the way it's been laid out uh

547
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i'm not seeing much investigation within

548
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tom's organization of the actual

549
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phenomena

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uh we are talking about

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him revealing disco disclosure like

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through his intelligence sources uh you

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know evidence of of things that may have

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happened

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that the government uh

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has kept track of and this uh this

557
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nimitz story which was part of his uh

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his presser a couple weeks back

559
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uh was one of the uh

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bits of information uh the secret

561
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supposedly information that uh that was

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released and uh subsequently since then

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this uh this footage supposedly uh taken

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by uh

565
00:22:05,590 --> 00:22:01,440
jets that were part of the uh the nimitz

566
00:22:07,430 --> 00:22:05,600
carrier fleet i guess in uh in 2004

567
00:22:09,669 --> 00:22:07,440
uh when they had this encounter with the

568
00:22:10,710 --> 00:22:09,679
strange craft called the the tic tac

569
00:22:13,029 --> 00:22:10,720
because of

570
00:22:15,990 --> 00:22:13,039
of its shape uh

571
00:22:16,950 --> 00:22:16,000
this has been the the the one story the

572
00:22:17,750 --> 00:22:16,960
one

573
00:22:21,029 --> 00:22:17,760
lee

574
00:22:22,149 --> 00:22:21,039
the one uh disclosure that that has come

575
00:22:24,950 --> 00:22:22,159
out

576
00:22:26,630 --> 00:22:24,960
uh that uh that has some sort of

577
00:22:28,630 --> 00:22:26,640
evidence although

578
00:22:31,270 --> 00:22:28,640
you know even the evidence is is sort of

579
00:22:33,110 --> 00:22:31,280
suspect here because uh a number of

580
00:22:34,950 --> 00:22:33,120
researchers are pointing out that this

581
00:22:36,789 --> 00:22:34,960
uh this gun camera footage has actually

582
00:22:37,830 --> 00:22:36,799
been around for a while

583
00:22:48,390 --> 00:22:37,840
uh

584
00:22:50,950 --> 00:22:48,400
his organization release some sort of

585
00:22:53,029 --> 00:22:50,960
disclosure type information it's

586
00:22:54,390 --> 00:22:53,039
incumbent upon him to to make sure that

587
00:22:56,070 --> 00:22:54,400
it's fully vetted

588
00:22:58,630 --> 00:22:56,080
and that we can get to the bottom of

589
00:23:00,950 --> 00:22:58,640
these sources i i think uh

590
00:23:03,110 --> 00:23:00,960
therein lies a lot of the problems with

591
00:23:04,870 --> 00:23:03,120
uh and criticisms with tom's

592
00:23:06,710 --> 00:23:04,880
organization in that

593
00:23:08,310 --> 00:23:06,720
you know these intelligence type people

594
00:23:10,470 --> 00:23:08,320
are

595
00:23:12,549 --> 00:23:10,480
not really accessible uh none of them

596
00:23:15,590 --> 00:23:12,559
have been interviewed since the presser

597
00:23:18,390 --> 00:23:15,600
and uh and the sources and the chain of

598
00:23:19,909 --> 00:23:18,400
evidence for a lot of this stuff is

599
00:23:22,310 --> 00:23:19,919
you know just sort of a

600
00:23:24,310 --> 00:23:22,320
oh trust us i can't reveal my secret

601
00:23:26,470 --> 00:23:24,320
sort of type deal

602
00:23:29,669 --> 00:23:26,480
and uh you know for the for the research

603
00:23:33,190 --> 00:23:29,679
community that is looking for evidence

604
00:23:37,029 --> 00:23:33,200
uh it sort of is not really going

605
00:23:39,029 --> 00:23:37,039
uh too far uh so i think uh

606
00:23:41,270 --> 00:23:39,039
you know primarily his organization is

607
00:23:43,190 --> 00:23:41,280
an entertainment slash experimental

608
00:23:46,230 --> 00:23:43,200
technology organization

609
00:23:49,830 --> 00:23:46,240
uh we have yet to see anything really

610
00:23:51,909 --> 00:23:49,840
uh substantive wise uh that gives us any

611
00:23:53,190 --> 00:23:51,919
sort of evidence or

612
00:23:54,630 --> 00:23:53,200
suggests that there's actually going to

613
00:23:57,430 --> 00:23:54,640
be any kind of

614
00:24:00,789 --> 00:23:57,440
real scientific investigation whatsoever

615
00:24:01,990 --> 00:24:00,799
hopefully as i said before ufo data uh

616
00:24:04,630 --> 00:24:02,000
which will be involved with this

617
00:24:06,630 --> 00:24:04,640
organization can actually uh you know

618
00:24:09,510 --> 00:24:06,640
develop some sort of projects there's

619
00:24:12,789 --> 00:24:09,520
rumors that the new group scu and

620
00:24:15,510 --> 00:24:12,799
possibly even mufon might be involved

621
00:24:16,950 --> 00:24:15,520
with with de long's group but in some

622
00:24:19,269 --> 00:24:16,960
capacity

623
00:24:21,190 --> 00:24:19,279
on project uh

624
00:24:23,909 --> 00:24:21,200
related capacity

625
00:24:26,390 --> 00:24:23,919
my question would be is uh which mufon

626
00:24:28,950 --> 00:24:26,400
the uh you know the the the standard

627
00:24:31,510 --> 00:24:28,960
investigator mufon or the you know the

628
00:24:33,350 --> 00:24:31,520
guys who uh follow the whole corey good

629
00:24:35,510 --> 00:24:33,360
whistleblower thing that that's the

630
00:24:37,669 --> 00:24:35,520
problem with mufon right now is you

631
00:24:39,350 --> 00:24:37,679
really do have to identify you know

632
00:24:42,070 --> 00:24:39,360
which among them and i don't think that

633
00:24:45,510 --> 00:24:42,080
would help tom to get involved with

634
00:24:49,430 --> 00:24:45,520
you know that faction of mufon um

635
00:24:51,750 --> 00:24:49,440
because i do agree that he's sincere i

636
00:24:55,350 --> 00:24:51,760
nothing has has made me 100 percent

637
00:24:57,830 --> 00:24:55,360
cynical on him now notice i said 100

638
00:24:59,750 --> 00:24:57,840
percent because there is a percentage of

639
00:25:01,190 --> 00:24:59,760
cynicism i have with him and the whole

640
00:25:03,750 --> 00:25:01,200
thing i i

641
00:25:06,870 --> 00:25:03,760
i'll be surprised if anything

642
00:25:08,710 --> 00:25:06,880
that he's promising um seriously comes

643
00:25:12,710 --> 00:25:08,720
out of this to the stars academy this

644
00:25:15,909 --> 00:25:12,720
whole venture i think it's just one more

645
00:25:16,950 --> 00:25:15,919
one more thing to flim flam the ufo

646
00:25:19,750 --> 00:25:16,960
field

647
00:25:20,950 --> 00:25:19,760
but um on the footage issue you know

648
00:25:23,190 --> 00:25:20,960
that's the problem you know they

649
00:25:24,789 --> 00:25:23,200
released this tic tac thing and you know

650
00:25:26,390 --> 00:25:24,799
immediately people were able to point

651
00:25:28,950 --> 00:25:26,400
out the problems with it and the same

652
00:25:30,549 --> 00:25:28,960
with the uh have you seen the triangular

653
00:25:32,470 --> 00:25:30,559
one with the big white light in the

654
00:25:35,110 --> 00:25:32,480
middle i mean

655
00:25:37,750 --> 00:25:35,120
tier 3b footage yeah

656
00:25:40,070 --> 00:25:37,760
yeah the the alleged you know and

657
00:25:41,350 --> 00:25:40,080
even even rogan couldn't keep a straight

658
00:25:43,990 --> 00:25:41,360
face

659
00:25:46,390 --> 00:25:44,000
you know um when he's showing it on

660
00:25:49,510 --> 00:25:46,400
there and people were immediately

661
00:25:50,310 --> 00:25:49,520
you know saying gosh tom really

662
00:25:51,830 --> 00:25:50,320
uh

663
00:25:53,190 --> 00:25:51,840
that this

664
00:25:54,870 --> 00:25:53,200
so i

665
00:25:58,549 --> 00:25:54,880
uh

666
00:26:00,789 --> 00:25:58,559
it's hard for me to be um and i commend

667
00:26:03,669 --> 00:26:00,799
uh chris um

668
00:26:06,630 --> 00:26:03,679
it's hard for me to be fair

669
00:26:08,149 --> 00:26:06,640
with this whole to the stars thing i i i

670
00:26:10,710 --> 00:26:08,159
think that it's

671
00:26:13,590 --> 00:26:10,720
on the whole it's a very cynical grab

672
00:26:16,950 --> 00:26:13,600
for spotlight attention and an attempt

673
00:26:19,510 --> 00:26:16,960
again to dominate the ufo media field in

674
00:26:22,390 --> 00:26:19,520
a way that it hasn't been done before

675
00:26:25,350 --> 00:26:22,400
so um in in the meantime the serious

676
00:26:27,669 --> 00:26:25,360
researchers get marginalized get not

677
00:26:29,510 --> 00:26:27,679
listened to for six months two years

678
00:26:31,190 --> 00:26:29,520
what however long these guys are going

679
00:26:33,669 --> 00:26:31,200
to be out there in the mix

680
00:26:35,669 --> 00:26:33,679
uh you know hog in the spotlight until

681
00:26:36,870 --> 00:26:35,679
they either realize it's a failure

682
00:26:38,630 --> 00:26:36,880
they're not going to make the killing

683
00:26:40,390 --> 00:26:38,640
they want to make or they indeed make

684
00:26:41,269 --> 00:26:40,400
that initial windfall that they want to

685
00:26:42,549 --> 00:26:41,279
make

686
00:26:44,950 --> 00:26:42,559
um

687
00:26:46,310 --> 00:26:44,960
you know so it it's i have a hard time

688
00:26:47,430 --> 00:26:46,320
buying

689
00:26:49,190 --> 00:26:47,440
so far

690
00:26:51,269 --> 00:26:49,200
anything that they've come out with and

691
00:26:54,070 --> 00:26:51,279
and the former intel guys now you know

692
00:26:57,190 --> 00:26:54,080
i'm a former federal agent i'm you know

693
00:26:59,669 --> 00:26:57,200
air force officer former fbi guy all

694
00:27:02,070 --> 00:26:59,679
that stuff and i'm out here you know

695
00:27:03,669 --> 00:27:02,080
writing my books talking my stuff

696
00:27:05,430 --> 00:27:03,679
um

697
00:27:08,630 --> 00:27:05,440
but one thing i

698
00:27:10,710 --> 00:27:08,640
do not do and will not do is share

699
00:27:14,149 --> 00:27:10,720
classified things that i learned on the

700
00:27:15,750 --> 00:27:14,159
job even if it backs up what i'm saying

701
00:27:17,669 --> 00:27:15,760
i'm not going to share that the

702
00:27:20,149 --> 00:27:17,679
specifics of that so that's the problem

703
00:27:22,310 --> 00:27:20,159
i have you know these retired intel guys

704
00:27:24,549 --> 00:27:22,320
helping him on this because everything

705
00:27:28,549 --> 00:27:24,559
i've read indicates that they haven't

706
00:27:30,950 --> 00:27:28,559
really told him anything substantial um

707
00:27:32,310 --> 00:27:30,960
and if they have my question from my

708
00:27:34,230 --> 00:27:32,320
perspective is

709
00:27:36,710 --> 00:27:34,240
to what degree have they violated their

710
00:27:39,269 --> 00:27:36,720
uh you know secrecy agreements and then

711
00:27:40,549 --> 00:27:39,279
there's the other whole issue of uh the

712
00:27:43,029 --> 00:27:40,559
oh world

713
00:27:44,149 --> 00:27:43,039
o word um operational

714
00:27:46,549 --> 00:27:44,159
you know

715
00:27:48,310 --> 00:27:46,559
to what degree is this what we call and

716
00:27:49,990 --> 00:27:48,320
i'm very familiar with professionally

717
00:27:51,750 --> 00:27:50,000
perception management

718
00:27:53,190 --> 00:27:51,760
you know that they're they're playing on

719
00:27:54,549 --> 00:27:53,200
the field they're they're playing you

720
00:27:56,950 --> 00:27:54,559
know through tom

721
00:27:59,110 --> 00:27:56,960
yeah that's what i think you know i i

722
00:28:01,029 --> 00:27:59,120
right now on the surface what i see are

723
00:28:02,870 --> 00:28:01,039
a bunch of guys some of them you heard

724
00:28:05,190 --> 00:28:02,880
of you know how put off is out there and

725
00:28:07,110 --> 00:28:05,200
stuff a bunch of guys who are retired

726
00:28:09,110 --> 00:28:07,120
and this is the superficial thing that i

727
00:28:11,430 --> 00:28:09,120
see a bunch of guys who are retired and

728
00:28:13,510 --> 00:28:11,440
they see this is uh let's go with this

729
00:28:15,510 --> 00:28:13,520
kid's lark and maybe we'll make a bundle

730
00:28:16,710 --> 00:28:15,520
of money in our golden years

731
00:28:20,149 --> 00:28:16,720
um

732
00:28:22,230 --> 00:28:20,159
and uh beneath that might be some type

733
00:28:24,149 --> 00:28:22,240
of uh you know just more perception

734
00:28:25,590 --> 00:28:24,159
management throw this info out into the

735
00:28:26,710 --> 00:28:25,600
ufo field

736
00:28:27,590 --> 00:28:26,720
so

737
00:28:29,430 --> 00:28:27,600
you know

738
00:28:30,630 --> 00:28:29,440
yeah i have to agree this is i

739
00:28:31,750 --> 00:28:30,640
definitely talked about this my article

740
00:28:34,870 --> 00:28:31,760
concerning

741
00:28:36,070 --> 00:28:34,880
the the situation but um i agree with

742
00:28:38,870 --> 00:28:36,080
you walter i think

743
00:28:40,310 --> 00:28:38,880
i think tom's voice within the ufo

744
00:28:41,830 --> 00:28:40,320
community is significant i think like

745
00:28:43,750 --> 00:28:41,840
you say he's going to kind of drown the

746
00:28:45,430 --> 00:28:43,760
rest of the researchers out the rest of

747
00:28:46,710 --> 00:28:45,440
the investigators out and you're going

748
00:28:47,990 --> 00:28:46,720
to have

749
00:28:49,830 --> 00:28:48,000
this this

750
00:28:51,750 --> 00:28:49,840
sort of swelling of media information

751
00:28:53,669 --> 00:28:51,760
around him and

752
00:28:56,630 --> 00:28:53,679
anyone else doing any other research or

753
00:29:00,950 --> 00:28:56,640
or even anyone else doing research that

754
00:29:02,710 --> 00:29:00,960
i guess opposes directly uh his theories

755
00:29:04,470 --> 00:29:02,720
um are going to be viewed as sort of

756
00:29:05,669 --> 00:29:04,480
outcasts and outsiders within the

757
00:29:07,750 --> 00:29:05,679
subculture right like they're going to

758
00:29:09,350 --> 00:29:07,760
be literally subcultures within the

759
00:29:10,870 --> 00:29:09,360
subculture

760
00:29:12,070 --> 00:29:10,880
they're going to be labeled jealous and

761
00:29:13,350 --> 00:29:12,080
angry that they're not getting the

762
00:29:15,190 --> 00:29:13,360
spotlight

763
00:29:17,510 --> 00:29:15,200
yeah for the time that he gets the

764
00:29:23,110 --> 00:29:17,520
spotlight and

765
00:29:27,190 --> 00:29:24,830
and uh to

766
00:29:29,029 --> 00:29:27,200
joseph well that that's already

767
00:29:30,470 --> 00:29:29,039
happening in a way i've already heard

768
00:29:33,750 --> 00:29:30,480
some

769
00:29:35,669 --> 00:29:33,760
show hosts you know stick up for de long

770
00:29:38,389 --> 00:29:35,679
and say they were angry with joe rogan

771
00:29:40,310 --> 00:29:38,399
because he was being quote too mean

772
00:29:41,669 --> 00:29:40,320
i think joe asked the right questions i

773
00:29:42,950 --> 00:29:41,679
think joe asked the questions that

774
00:29:44,389 --> 00:29:42,960
needed to be asked you know you're

775
00:29:46,389 --> 00:29:44,399
asking us to give

776
00:29:48,230 --> 00:29:46,399
you want me to give you 200 dollars for

777
00:29:50,870 --> 00:29:48,240
a share in a company that has government

778
00:29:53,110 --> 00:29:50,880
officials behind it that maybe said two

779
00:29:55,350 --> 00:29:53,120
sentences to us i don't know why they're

780
00:29:57,110 --> 00:29:55,360
there you know and i don't know like

781
00:29:59,350 --> 00:29:57,120
walter said to me that i think that

782
00:30:01,430 --> 00:29:59,360
there's um there could possibly be

783
00:30:02,789 --> 00:30:01,440
a perception agenda there or something

784
00:30:05,350 --> 00:30:02,799
where they're trying to keep this guy

785
00:30:06,830 --> 00:30:05,360
under wraps did he reveal something in

786
00:30:08,950 --> 00:30:06,840
secret machines

787
00:30:10,710 --> 00:30:08,960
possibly but do you really think that

788
00:30:12,950 --> 00:30:10,720
those guys behind the long are going to

789
00:30:14,630 --> 00:30:12,960
allow that to get out you know

790
00:30:16,470 --> 00:30:14,640
do you really think any of that is going

791
00:30:18,230 --> 00:30:16,480
to happen so it's like they're playing

792
00:30:20,310 --> 00:30:18,240
with this little kid who's so excited

793
00:30:21,590 --> 00:30:20,320
about this new toy he got

794
00:30:23,750 --> 00:30:21,600
and he might have stumbled upon

795
00:30:26,310 --> 00:30:23,760
something but they will never let him

796
00:30:27,750 --> 00:30:26,320
reveal any of it so i don't know that i

797
00:30:29,990 --> 00:30:27,760
don't know that they're not just playing

798
00:30:32,070 --> 00:30:30,000
all of us and it isn't fair to other

799
00:30:33,110 --> 00:30:32,080
researchers that this is happening you

800
00:30:34,149 --> 00:30:33,120
know

801
00:30:38,549 --> 00:30:34,159
what if

802
00:30:40,230 --> 00:30:38,559
ufo research the government does

803
00:30:41,830 --> 00:30:40,240
and totally cut off their funding they

804
00:30:43,990 --> 00:30:41,840
had to pay pay their own way and they

805
00:30:45,830 --> 00:30:44,000
lifted some of the stuff

806
00:30:47,990 --> 00:30:45,840
some of that that would be awesome

807
00:30:49,430 --> 00:30:48,000
yeah it'd be a heck of a twitter battle

808
00:30:50,870 --> 00:30:49,440
going on too

809
00:30:51,990 --> 00:30:50,880
i'm making no comment on that as a

810
00:30:53,269 --> 00:30:52,000
canadian

811
00:30:58,310 --> 00:30:53,279
uh

812
00:31:00,710 --> 00:30:58,320
i feel you know i've been thinking about

813
00:31:03,269 --> 00:31:00,720
this since the day he came out with this

814
00:31:06,950 --> 00:31:03,279
to the stars thing and uh i kind of have

815
00:31:11,510 --> 00:31:06,960
a feeling being an italian that this may

816
00:31:15,269 --> 00:31:13,029
i feel

817
00:31:17,029 --> 00:31:15,279
this is something that we are never

818
00:31:19,190 --> 00:31:17,039
going to see the light of day of because

819
00:31:20,870 --> 00:31:19,200
if you think about it the footage is

820
00:31:23,510 --> 00:31:20,880
crappy that we saw right i mean you

821
00:31:25,830 --> 00:31:23,520
don't get a reference point on that

822
00:31:27,510 --> 00:31:25,840
the the gun video whatever it is and

823
00:31:29,430 --> 00:31:27,520
then the other one i don't even want to

824
00:31:31,190 --> 00:31:29,440
say what the other one that's fake all

825
00:31:33,430 --> 00:31:31,200
the way through but

826
00:31:35,190 --> 00:31:33,440
this has to be something other than what

827
00:31:36,549 --> 00:31:35,200
we're seeing because now they're almost

828
00:31:38,789 --> 00:31:36,559
at two million dollars it's going to

829
00:31:40,630 --> 00:31:38,799
take half a trillion dollars to build

830
00:31:42,630 --> 00:31:40,640
what he wants to build i would think i

831
00:31:43,750 --> 00:31:42,640
mean i don't know i'm just guessing but

832
00:31:46,230 --> 00:31:43,760
i would think it would be a lot more

833
00:31:47,909 --> 00:31:46,240
than just a 100 million 200 million i'm

834
00:31:51,029 --> 00:31:47,919
thinking billions and billions of

835
00:31:52,950 --> 00:31:51,039
dollars to make a spaceship or whatever

836
00:31:55,190 --> 00:31:52,960
i i do think it's unfair to the

837
00:31:57,509 --> 00:31:55,200
researchers out there who do have real

838
00:31:59,509 --> 00:31:57,519
ufo videos real research real evidence

839
00:32:01,029 --> 00:31:59,519
trace evidence all that stuff

840
00:32:02,389 --> 00:32:01,039
it might be pushed to the side but we

841
00:32:04,789 --> 00:32:02,399
have to keep doing what we're doing here

842
00:32:07,190 --> 00:32:04,799
and that's keep the voice of the people

843
00:32:09,430 --> 00:32:07,200
the voice of our community intact and

844
00:32:11,509 --> 00:32:09,440
make sure that we keep this guy in check

845
00:32:13,750 --> 00:32:11,519
for whatever he's up to i don't know i

846
00:32:15,430 --> 00:32:13,760
don't like it i don't i don't feel i

847
00:32:18,070 --> 00:32:15,440
know people say he's

848
00:32:21,350 --> 00:32:18,080
genuine and all that but i get it he

849
00:32:22,870 --> 00:32:21,360
sounds like it but he's also a performer

850
00:32:24,950 --> 00:32:22,880
he's somebody who's been on stage who

851
00:32:27,269 --> 00:32:24,960
acts the part he can be the role and i

852
00:32:29,990 --> 00:32:27,279
think he said let me be that guy i can

853
00:32:31,990 --> 00:32:30,000
do this guys i can do it so for whatever

854
00:32:33,669 --> 00:32:32,000
reason they pass the baton on to him

855
00:32:35,430 --> 00:32:33,679
maybe because he's

856
00:32:37,669 --> 00:32:35,440
from the band you know he's got a

857
00:32:39,430 --> 00:32:37,679
following already i don't know

858
00:32:43,110 --> 00:32:39,440
but i think it's it's a front for

859
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:47,909
and uh darren

860
00:32:47,919 --> 00:32:50,470
hi

861
00:32:54,950 --> 00:32:52,470
i kind of agree with garrett in a little

862
00:32:57,269 --> 00:32:54,960
way a little way yeah

863
00:32:59,509 --> 00:32:57,279
in some ways not i don't know about the

864
00:33:01,190 --> 00:32:59,519
trump comment but i know like that's

865
00:33:03,509 --> 00:33:01,200
kind of something that popped into my

866
00:33:05,990 --> 00:33:03,519
head is almost like the production of

867
00:33:07,509 --> 00:33:06,000
because everything i'm seeing uh north

868
00:33:08,950 --> 00:33:07,519
of the border seems more and more like

869
00:33:11,830 --> 00:33:08,960
you guys are forming some sort of

870
00:33:12,630 --> 00:33:11,840
ministry of truth 1984 scenario down

871
00:33:14,389 --> 00:33:12,640
there

872
00:33:16,389 --> 00:33:14,399
so it seems

873
00:33:19,590 --> 00:33:16,399
natural that you'd want some sort of

874
00:33:21,750 --> 00:33:19,600
state-approved ufo vein to the you know

875
00:33:26,149 --> 00:33:21,760
that this will become kind of like i'm

876
00:33:28,549 --> 00:33:26,159
trying to think of a good alternative um

877
00:33:29,750 --> 00:33:28,559
you know maybe rogan himself some people

878
00:33:32,230 --> 00:33:29,760
would say

879
00:33:34,549 --> 00:33:32,240
but you know just kind of the

880
00:33:37,430 --> 00:33:34,559
cia back channel sort of this is going

881
00:33:39,830 --> 00:33:37,440
to become the new maybe not for all you

882
00:33:41,830 --> 00:33:39,840
guys that are all plugged into it

883
00:33:44,230 --> 00:33:41,840
into the community you you're gonna see

884
00:33:46,310 --> 00:33:44,240
through it but you know the other

885
00:33:48,549 --> 00:33:46,320
95 percent of the people this is all of

886
00:33:49,509 --> 00:33:48,559
a sudden gonna become their their line

887
00:33:53,590 --> 00:33:49,519
to the

888
00:33:56,230 --> 00:33:53,600
and um i mean in some ways it it

889
00:33:57,110 --> 00:33:56,240
probably is a bad bad thing in the short

890
00:33:58,070 --> 00:33:57,120
term

891
00:33:59,909 --> 00:33:58,080
but

892
00:34:02,149 --> 00:33:59,919
in the long term you know this is

893
00:34:03,909 --> 00:34:02,159
probably going to blow over and maybe

894
00:34:06,389 --> 00:34:03,919
you know a couple more million people

895
00:34:08,310 --> 00:34:06,399
stick around interested in ufos

896
00:34:10,310 --> 00:34:08,320
would be my two cents i mean to be

897
00:34:13,430 --> 00:34:10,320
honest i don't really have a

898
00:34:17,750 --> 00:34:15,829
i i love to talk about it

899
00:34:20,950 --> 00:34:17,760
and hear the stories and and i've seen

900
00:34:22,950 --> 00:34:20,960
in my own ufo but it's just never been

901
00:34:25,109 --> 00:34:22,960
something that uh

902
00:34:26,950 --> 00:34:25,119
you know grabbed me like i do the show

903
00:34:28,310 --> 00:34:26,960
for i've i have a lot of other interests

904
00:34:30,310 --> 00:34:28,320
in the show that really grabbed me the

905
00:34:32,069 --> 00:34:30,320
ufo thing has always been sort of ground

906
00:34:33,829 --> 00:34:32,079
side of things but i mean i don't

907
00:34:35,349 --> 00:34:33,839
discount it and i'm happy to talk about

908
00:34:37,349 --> 00:34:35,359
it but at the same time anyone who goes

909
00:34:40,069 --> 00:34:37,359
palling around with uh

910
00:34:42,069 --> 00:34:40,079
the podestas and clintons and then is

911
00:34:45,349 --> 00:34:42,079
all of a sudden asking for money you

912
00:34:47,190 --> 00:34:45,359
know i'm i'm a little bit concerned

913
00:34:48,790 --> 00:34:47,200
and they could be washing money for all

914
00:34:50,310 --> 00:34:48,800
i know like these crowdfunding things

915
00:34:53,190 --> 00:34:50,320
are all of a sudden the perfect way to

916
00:34:55,669 --> 00:34:53,200
start washing money

917
00:34:58,390 --> 00:34:55,679
didn't delong come into this with 400

918
00:34:59,910 --> 00:34:58,400
000 debt that he transferred well

919
00:35:04,390 --> 00:34:59,920
heck that's covered already with the 2

920
00:35:07,829 --> 00:35:05,349
today

921
00:35:10,790 --> 00:35:07,839
he's got his 400 000 covered

922
00:35:11,910 --> 00:35:10,800
oh my god i didn't know that

923
00:35:13,990 --> 00:35:11,920
that was actually the next that's the

924
00:35:15,670 --> 00:35:14,000
next uh topic i'm bringing up but i want

925
00:35:17,510 --> 00:35:15,680
people to get uh not

926
00:35:18,470 --> 00:35:17,520
graham and and joe's thoughts on on the

927
00:35:19,510 --> 00:35:18,480
current time

928
00:35:20,870 --> 00:35:19,520
um

929
00:35:22,550 --> 00:35:20,880
you know podesta's about to be in a

930
00:35:24,630 --> 00:35:22,560
bunch of trouble maybe he's dumping his

931
00:35:26,470 --> 00:35:24,640
money into this [\h__\h] kickstarter and

932
00:35:27,510 --> 00:35:26,480
i swear on here well sorry oh you could

933
00:35:28,829 --> 00:35:27,520
say whatever the [\h__\h] you want on this

934
00:35:31,190 --> 00:35:28,839
show

935
00:35:32,710 --> 00:35:31,200
okay can i can i jump in here for a

936
00:35:34,550 --> 00:35:32,720
second actually just in regards to that

937
00:35:36,150 --> 00:35:34,560
last comment one i want to say i love

938
00:35:37,589 --> 00:35:36,160
that you're wearing a robe that's the

939
00:35:40,150 --> 00:35:37,599
best um

940
00:35:42,950 --> 00:35:40,160
cool office but um

941
00:35:43,829 --> 00:35:42,960
in regards to um your comment i think

942
00:35:45,589 --> 00:35:43,839
it's really important which you know

943
00:35:47,349 --> 00:35:45,599
what kind of stated here in

944
00:35:50,230 --> 00:35:47,359
that this is going to kind of be the

945
00:35:52,069 --> 00:35:50,240
mainstream cultural kind of approach to

946
00:35:53,829 --> 00:35:52,079
the ufo question when you really talk to

947
00:35:55,829 --> 00:35:53,839
people in the mainstream who aren't

948
00:35:57,670 --> 00:35:55,839
involved in the ufo community their

949
00:35:58,790 --> 00:35:57,680
entire interpretation of ufos is

950
00:36:00,550 --> 00:35:58,800
basically you know it's aliens from

951
00:36:02,230 --> 00:36:00,560
outer space and and greys and whatever

952
00:36:04,470 --> 00:36:02,240
they've seen on tv right

953
00:36:05,589 --> 00:36:04,480
and then as you kind of start digging

954
00:36:06,790 --> 00:36:05,599
through the research and you start

955
00:36:08,790 --> 00:36:06,800
talking to people and you start

956
00:36:10,790 --> 00:36:08,800
investigating and you start dealing with

957
00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:10,800
witnesses you start to realize that you

958
00:36:13,750 --> 00:36:12,480
know the the

959
00:36:15,589 --> 00:36:13,760
the hypothesis concerning

960
00:36:17,589 --> 00:36:15,599
extraterrestrials doesn't always kind of

961
00:36:19,829 --> 00:36:17,599
hold water um

962
00:36:21,030 --> 00:36:19,839
especially in a lot of instances and i

963
00:36:23,750 --> 00:36:21,040
think that you're right i think tom

964
00:36:26,069 --> 00:36:23,760
delong and his company and and all the

965
00:36:27,750 --> 00:36:26,079
kind of stuff he puts out this is going

966
00:36:29,910 --> 00:36:27,760
to be very much

967
00:36:31,750 --> 00:36:29,920
the mainstream sort of access point to

968
00:36:33,030 --> 00:36:31,760
the ufo question and i'm really

969
00:36:34,710 --> 00:36:33,040
concerned that this is going to become

970
00:36:37,030 --> 00:36:34,720
kind of the next extraterrestrial

971
00:36:38,630 --> 00:36:37,040
hypothesis for ufos i'm concerned that

972
00:36:40,630 --> 00:36:38,640
his voice is going to kind of become so

973
00:36:42,150 --> 00:36:40,640
loud and so ridiculous

974
00:36:43,030 --> 00:36:42,160
that it's going to be covered all the

975
00:36:44,390 --> 00:36:43,040
time

976
00:36:46,390 --> 00:36:44,400
there's going to be documentaries and

977
00:36:48,470 --> 00:36:46,400
shows and whatever

978
00:36:51,109 --> 00:36:48,480
and suddenly it's going to be the long

979
00:36:53,589 --> 00:36:51,119
sort of theory of ufos that is going to

980
00:36:56,230 --> 00:36:53,599
be the mainstream understanding you know

981
00:36:58,630 --> 00:36:56,240
that it's evil aliens and and reverse

982
00:37:01,349 --> 00:36:58,640
engineered nazi technology and you know

983
00:37:02,390 --> 00:37:01,359
whatever else sort of nonsense spewing

984
00:37:04,230 --> 00:37:02,400
um

985
00:37:06,790 --> 00:37:04,240
i'm i'm really concerned about this

986
00:37:08,870 --> 00:37:06,800
because you lose the authenticity of the

987
00:37:10,630 --> 00:37:08,880
ufo subculture you lose sort of the

988
00:37:12,390 --> 00:37:10,640
beauty of the ufo subculture as being

989
00:37:14,390 --> 00:37:12,400
the sort of system of anarchy of people

990
00:37:18,310 --> 00:37:14,400
who just believe in who the hell knows

991
00:37:20,550 --> 00:37:18,320
what um but it's kind of this

992
00:37:21,829 --> 00:37:20,560
system where where we all kind of don't

993
00:37:23,829 --> 00:37:21,839
necessarily agree with each other but we

994
00:37:25,990 --> 00:37:23,839
all well usually some of us most of the

995
00:37:27,750 --> 00:37:26,000
time get along um

996
00:37:28,950 --> 00:37:27,760
most of us hate each other

997
00:37:30,710 --> 00:37:28,960
i just want to add real quick and i

998
00:37:31,589 --> 00:37:30,720
won't take long i i think what we're

999
00:37:35,030 --> 00:37:31,599
seeing

1000
00:37:38,150 --> 00:37:35,040
going on

1001
00:37:40,390 --> 00:37:38,160
throughout uf ufology's history and and

1002
00:37:42,390 --> 00:37:40,400
the the subcultures history

1003
00:37:44,550 --> 00:37:42,400
is there's always been an entertainment

1004
00:37:46,630 --> 00:37:44,560
element and i think what we're seeing

1005
00:37:49,190 --> 00:37:46,640
now especially within the past couple of

1006
00:37:51,990 --> 00:37:49,200
years especially with like what has gone

1007
00:37:54,390 --> 00:37:52,000
on with like mufon's recent symposium

1008
00:37:57,510 --> 00:37:54,400
and a lot of other conferences is we're

1009
00:38:00,390 --> 00:37:57,520
seeing uh the entertainment

1010
00:38:02,390 --> 00:38:00,400
money interests uh within the field come

1011
00:38:05,589 --> 00:38:02,400
to dominate the field

1012
00:38:08,069 --> 00:38:05,599
uh at the expense of those within the

1013
00:38:11,109 --> 00:38:08,079
community who have engaged in at least

1014
00:38:13,829 --> 00:38:11,119
some sort of rational scientific

1015
00:38:16,230 --> 00:38:13,839
uh you know skeptical uh you know

1016
00:38:19,270 --> 00:38:16,240
all the all the different uh

1017
00:38:21,430 --> 00:38:19,280
methodological uh inquiries into the

1018
00:38:23,910 --> 00:38:21,440
actual phenomena we're seeing

1019
00:38:25,829 --> 00:38:23,920
it replaced with uh

1020
00:38:29,109 --> 00:38:25,839
primarily people interested in

1021
00:38:32,069 --> 00:38:29,119
sensationalism interested in profit

1022
00:38:35,349 --> 00:38:32,079
interested in media projects and uh

1023
00:38:36,069 --> 00:38:35,359
interested in in stardom and uh

1024
00:38:38,390 --> 00:38:36,079
i

1025
00:38:40,870 --> 00:38:38,400
tom delong's already a star so you know

1026
00:38:42,310 --> 00:38:40,880
he has a lot of that cachet and uh what

1027
00:38:44,069 --> 00:38:42,320
we're seeing is

1028
00:38:46,310 --> 00:38:44,079
and i think that's why we're getting a

1029
00:38:48,470 --> 00:38:46,320
lot of reaction from the legitimate

1030
00:38:49,829 --> 00:38:48,480
community is that you know they are kind

1031
00:38:51,190 --> 00:38:49,839
of uh

1032
00:38:53,670 --> 00:38:51,200
you know

1033
00:38:55,829 --> 00:38:53,680
taking a back seat to uh primarily

1034
00:38:58,390 --> 00:38:55,839
entertainment interests

1035
00:39:00,069 --> 00:38:58,400
yeah he's gonna get what he wants but

1036
00:39:03,349 --> 00:39:00,079
are we gonna get what we want i think

1037
00:39:06,710 --> 00:39:03,359
that's the disconnect there

1038
00:39:08,790 --> 00:39:06,720
uh well not not graham what do you think

1039
00:39:10,230 --> 00:39:08,800
can is it okay if i go by that guy

1040
00:39:12,550 --> 00:39:10,240
that's actually my student name from my

1041
00:39:13,990 --> 00:39:12,560
podcast that guy okay so that guy what

1042
00:39:16,630 --> 00:39:14,000
do you think from healers and

1043
00:39:20,230 --> 00:39:16,640
hellraisers from healers and hellraisers

1044
00:39:23,190 --> 00:39:20,240
um so i think um

1045
00:39:26,550 --> 00:39:25,030
i think the whole project i really like

1046
00:39:31,270 --> 00:39:26,560
i said i just continued with what i said

1047
00:39:33,270 --> 00:39:31,280
before i do think that he has some major

1048
00:39:34,790 --> 00:39:33,280
belief in this whole thing but the

1049
00:39:36,790 --> 00:39:34,800
people that are behind him i hadn't

1050
00:39:38,950 --> 00:39:36,800
thought about the

1051
00:39:40,630 --> 00:39:38,960
what walter was talking about these guys

1052
00:39:43,670 --> 00:39:40,640
can't

1053
00:39:45,109 --> 00:39:43,680
unless somebody's instructed them to so

1054
00:39:46,630 --> 00:39:45,119
you could if you want to stay on the

1055
00:39:48,310 --> 00:39:46,640
positive side we could look at the you

1056
00:39:49,670 --> 00:39:48,320
know maybe trump saying hey if you want

1057
00:39:50,550 --> 00:39:49,680
to continue you have to make your own

1058
00:39:54,390 --> 00:39:50,560
money

1059
00:39:57,030 --> 00:39:54,400
that would be the positive that's you

1060
00:39:59,430 --> 00:39:57,040
know if that was

1061
00:40:00,550 --> 00:39:59,440
you know a positive conspiracy for once

1062
00:40:01,430 --> 00:40:00,560
um

1063
00:40:03,109 --> 00:40:01,440
but

1064
00:40:06,150 --> 00:40:03,119
more than likely it's some kind of

1065
00:40:07,670 --> 00:40:06,160
disinformation campaign um and it's

1066
00:40:09,430 --> 00:40:07,680
with the people i mean he's attached to

1067
00:40:11,670 --> 00:40:09,440
podesta for god's sakes

1068
00:40:13,430 --> 00:40:11,680
for all we know he this could be

1069
00:40:16,630 --> 00:40:13,440
way twisted

1070
00:40:21,190 --> 00:40:19,190
yeah i i'm very very untrusting in the

1071
00:40:23,990 --> 00:40:21,200
entire situation i don't trust along and

1072
00:40:25,910 --> 00:40:24,000
then why the hell why in god's name if

1073
00:40:28,710 --> 00:40:25,920
you wanted anybody to take you seriously

1074
00:40:30,310 --> 00:40:28,720
would you choose tom de long as your

1075
00:40:31,910 --> 00:40:30,320
spokesperson

1076
00:40:33,829 --> 00:40:31,920
i mean i'm not trying to be a dick and

1077
00:40:36,069 --> 00:40:33,839
sorry tom and i'm sure he's a great guy

1078
00:40:38,550 --> 00:40:36,079
but it's blink 182.

1079
00:40:40,550 --> 00:40:38,560
i i think he might fall into the useful

1080
00:40:42,230 --> 00:40:40,560
idiot category and i'm not

1081
00:40:44,069 --> 00:40:42,240
trying to be a smart ass saying that i i

1082
00:40:46,069 --> 00:40:44,079
think he probably falls into that the

1083
00:40:47,910 --> 00:40:46,079
useful idiot category

1084
00:40:48,870 --> 00:40:47,920
uh well my my main question the only

1085
00:40:52,230 --> 00:40:48,880
thing i'll add to that is how much

1086
00:40:54,630 --> 00:40:52,240
adderall is he on

1087
00:40:56,230 --> 00:40:54,640
so if anybody watching so that we'll

1088
00:40:57,510 --> 00:40:56,240
we'll get to that one in a moment but uh

1089
00:40:58,710 --> 00:40:57,520
joe what what are your thoughts on this

1090
00:41:00,550 --> 00:40:58,720
one

1091
00:41:02,630 --> 00:41:00,560
um

1092
00:41:04,069 --> 00:41:02,640
first off i know there he talked about

1093
00:41:05,829 --> 00:41:04,079
it was yesterday the day before the

1094
00:41:07,670 --> 00:41:05,839
videos that they're going to release are

1095
00:41:09,349 --> 00:41:07,680
going to be on a specific website he's

1096
00:41:11,190 --> 00:41:09,359
building right now i want to see that

1097
00:41:12,630 --> 00:41:11,200
stuff before i really make i don't have

1098
00:41:14,390 --> 00:41:12,640
any conclusions back about him

1099
00:41:16,550 --> 00:41:14,400
whatsoever i'm impressed by the guys

1100
00:41:18,150 --> 00:41:16,560
that are with him i know put off i

1101
00:41:20,470 --> 00:41:18,160
didn't know the other guys i know

1102
00:41:22,470 --> 00:41:20,480
semivan wrote uh forward to was it

1103
00:41:24,790 --> 00:41:22,480
secret machines one of his books i mean

1104
00:41:26,710 --> 00:41:24,800
semi-van wrote a forward it's an

1105
00:41:28,309 --> 00:41:26,720
excellent excellent forward he doesn't

1106
00:41:30,150 --> 00:41:28,319
come to a conclusion negative positive

1107
00:41:31,910 --> 00:41:30,160
he's had his own experiences

1108
00:41:33,270 --> 00:41:31,920
the other guys that i think the other

1109
00:41:35,430 --> 00:41:33,280
guy um

1110
00:41:38,630 --> 00:41:35,440
justice was the second second of charge

1111
00:41:41,430 --> 00:41:38,640
at lockheed i believe is that right

1112
00:41:42,870 --> 00:41:41,440
he's a project development uh

1113
00:41:45,349 --> 00:41:42,880
director there

1114
00:41:47,109 --> 00:41:45,359
so he so he knows something about craft

1115
00:41:48,630 --> 00:41:47,119
and if they are going to build a craft

1116
00:41:50,950 --> 00:41:48,640
it's not he already said it's not going

1117
00:41:52,470 --> 00:41:50,960
to be through basic crowdfunding he said

1118
00:41:53,910 --> 00:41:52,480
it's going to be through companies that

1119
00:41:55,190 --> 00:41:53,920
are going to see some of their

1120
00:41:56,630 --> 00:41:55,200
experiments and they're going to want to

1121
00:41:59,030 --> 00:41:56,640
jump in on it it's obviously no way he

1122
00:42:01,430 --> 00:41:59,040
can raise enough to regular crowdfunding

1123
00:42:03,190 --> 00:42:01,440
um as far as the video he played on

1124
00:42:05,190 --> 00:42:03,200
rogan first of all rogan didn't even

1125
00:42:07,190 --> 00:42:05,200
watch his introduction video 40 minute

1126
00:42:08,790 --> 00:42:07,200
video you're an interviewer and you're

1127
00:42:10,230 --> 00:42:08,800
interviewing tom delong you don't watch

1128
00:42:11,829 --> 00:42:10,240
the 40 minute video i mean that's

1129
00:42:13,190 --> 00:42:11,839
ridiculous

1130
00:42:15,430 --> 00:42:13,200
like well i didn't want to go in i

1131
00:42:17,270 --> 00:42:15,440
wanted to go in untainted no you just

1132
00:42:18,710 --> 00:42:17,280
didn't do your you were lazy you didn't

1133
00:42:20,630 --> 00:42:18,720
do any research

1134
00:42:23,910 --> 00:42:20,640
so that's basically but the video that's

1135
00:42:25,430 --> 00:42:23,920
a good point the the trb video

1136
00:42:26,630 --> 00:42:25,440
you guys i don't know it it looked

1137
00:42:28,150 --> 00:42:26,640
questionable to me just it looked like

1138
00:42:29,910 --> 00:42:28,160
there was an edit there but that's not

1139
00:42:31,750 --> 00:42:29,920
their official release video and i also

1140
00:42:34,069 --> 00:42:31,760
don't think they released the tic tac

1141
00:42:35,910 --> 00:42:34,079
video i think that was jeremy corbyn had

1142
00:42:37,670 --> 00:42:35,920
it on his website i don't think that's

1143
00:42:39,270 --> 00:42:37,680
like an official release from them but

1144
00:42:41,109 --> 00:42:39,280
that video is meaningless unless those

1145
00:42:43,190 --> 00:42:41,119
pilots come forward and 60 minutes

1146
00:42:45,109 --> 00:42:43,200
interviews them then and people will pay

1147
00:42:46,710 --> 00:42:45,119
attention but that video by itself it's

1148
00:42:47,589 --> 00:42:46,720
not really impressive

1149
00:42:50,150 --> 00:42:47,599
yeah

1150
00:42:51,910 --> 00:42:50,160
okay well just defense i never uh read

1151
00:42:53,109 --> 00:42:51,920
the books either i like to go and feel

1152
00:42:56,950 --> 00:42:53,119
like the man on the street the larry

1153
00:42:59,270 --> 00:42:58,550
same here

1154
00:43:02,630 --> 00:42:59,280
now

1155
00:43:05,829 --> 00:43:02,640
moving on to the uh financials of um to

1156
00:43:06,950 --> 00:43:05,839
the stars academy uh again we i'm taking

1157
00:43:09,750 --> 00:43:06,960
a look at the financials the

1158
00:43:11,990 --> 00:43:09,760
disclosurerequest.com uh form four to

1159
00:43:14,470 --> 00:43:12,000
the stars academy and it is listing

1160
00:43:17,670 --> 00:43:14,480
currently that total revenue for the for

1161
00:43:19,910 --> 00:43:17,680
the organization is 1.3

1162
00:43:23,109 --> 00:43:19,920
million uh with costs and expenses at

1163
00:43:26,470 --> 00:43:23,119
697 000 uh with depreciations and

1164
00:43:31,030 --> 00:43:26,480
amortization at over at almost 250 000

1165
00:43:31,990 --> 00:43:31,040
with a net income of uh minus 422 000.

1166
00:43:34,230 --> 00:43:32,000
now

1167
00:43:37,190 --> 00:43:34,240
considering that this organization

1168
00:43:39,030 --> 00:43:37,200
hasn't done anything released anything

1169
00:43:41,109 --> 00:43:39,040
except for the one announcement were

1170
00:43:43,510 --> 00:43:41,119
there but where they had said basically

1171
00:43:45,589 --> 00:43:43,520
give us money and we will build this or

1172
00:43:47,990 --> 00:43:45,599
do this

1173
00:43:49,670 --> 00:43:48,000
what kind of impressions does this give

1174
00:43:52,069 --> 00:43:49,680
to you

1175
00:43:54,790 --> 00:43:52,079
as hosts researchers

1176
00:43:57,270 --> 00:43:54,800
you know ufo uh fanatics

1177
00:43:59,109 --> 00:43:57,280
and i'm gonna start with uh

1178
00:44:00,069 --> 00:43:59,119
uh you know i'm gonna

1179
00:44:01,670 --> 00:44:00,079
change the order up a little bit just

1180
00:44:05,030 --> 00:44:01,680
because i know that we've had some going

1181
00:44:06,230 --> 00:44:05,040
back and forth mj

1182
00:44:07,510 --> 00:44:06,240
sure you know

1183
00:44:10,309 --> 00:44:07,520
the money's a weird thing here i mean

1184
00:44:11,750 --> 00:44:10,319
ultimately tom is is

1185
00:44:13,430 --> 00:44:11,760
he's probably a wealthy man i gotta be

1186
00:44:14,870 --> 00:44:13,440
honest i mean blink 182 is still played

1187
00:44:17,430 --> 00:44:14,880
on the radio every time somebody listens

1188
00:44:20,630 --> 00:44:17,440
to it on spotify you know he earns a

1189
00:44:23,910 --> 00:44:20,640
quarter of it i guess um so ultimately

1190
00:44:26,870 --> 00:44:23,920
you know to him 400 000

1191
00:44:28,390 --> 00:44:26,880
probably isn't like a lot of money it's

1192
00:44:30,150 --> 00:44:28,400
a lot of money sort of objectively but i

1193
00:44:32,470 --> 00:44:30,160
guess it's not to him i mean he's

1194
00:44:33,270 --> 00:44:32,480
probably sort of rolling in the millions

1195
00:44:37,349 --> 00:44:33,280
so

1196
00:44:38,870 --> 00:44:37,359
to the stars academy which is i guess

1197
00:44:41,910 --> 00:44:38,880
why they're in debt by 400 grand because

1198
00:44:43,589 --> 00:44:41,920
it was a 400 grand loan but um you know

1199
00:44:45,349 --> 00:44:43,599
my my bigger concern here is is

1200
00:44:47,829 --> 00:44:45,359
ultimately there's really no employees

1201
00:44:49,589 --> 00:44:47,839
of the company he's sort of one there's

1202
00:44:50,710 --> 00:44:49,599
a secretary i think and there's like one

1203
00:44:52,950 --> 00:44:50,720
other guy

1204
00:44:54,069 --> 00:44:52,960
and everyone else who works sort of for

1205
00:44:55,109 --> 00:44:54,079
them these

1206
00:44:56,790 --> 00:44:55,119
sort of

1207
00:44:58,230 --> 00:44:56,800
intelligence guys and and these

1208
00:45:00,470 --> 00:44:58,240
government people they're all

1209
00:45:02,630 --> 00:45:00,480
contractors and ultimately they're only

1210
00:45:04,470 --> 00:45:02,640
going to work so long as they get paid

1211
00:45:07,270 --> 00:45:04,480
or or they need to get paid before they

1212
00:45:09,109 --> 00:45:07,280
do any work um and and like it was

1213
00:45:11,190 --> 00:45:09,119
mentioned already you know none of them

1214
00:45:12,309 --> 00:45:11,200
have really stepped up for an interview

1215
00:45:13,910 --> 00:45:12,319
they haven't really said anything

1216
00:45:17,430 --> 00:45:13,920
they've been pretty quiet

1217
00:45:19,910 --> 00:45:17,440
um so on the financial end you know i i

1218
00:45:21,349 --> 00:45:19,920
think what's dubious is is you know

1219
00:45:22,790 --> 00:45:21,359
i probably think you know tom could

1220
00:45:24,710 --> 00:45:22,800
ultimately fund this himself if he

1221
00:45:26,069 --> 00:45:24,720
ultimately wanted to at least you know

1222
00:45:27,030 --> 00:45:26,079
generating you know a few million

1223
00:45:28,550 --> 00:45:27,040
dollars

1224
00:45:30,150 --> 00:45:28,560
um you know obviously building a

1225
00:45:31,270 --> 00:45:30,160
spaceship is is going to cost a little

1226
00:45:32,230 --> 00:45:31,280
more but

1227
00:45:33,910 --> 00:45:32,240
that's probably something he can't

1228
00:45:34,710 --> 00:45:33,920
afford um

1229
00:45:37,109 --> 00:45:34,720
but

1230
00:45:38,230 --> 00:45:37,119
i think we're kind of bumping into

1231
00:45:40,150 --> 00:45:38,240
you know

1232
00:45:42,630 --> 00:45:40,160
the bigger question is is is not

1233
00:45:45,030 --> 00:45:42,640
actually sort of how much but why is it

1234
00:45:46,550 --> 00:45:45,040
kind of going this money route and why

1235
00:45:48,309 --> 00:45:46,560
is he

1236
00:45:50,550 --> 00:45:48,319
um

1237
00:45:52,230 --> 00:45:50,560
launching it in such a way that requires

1238
00:45:53,349 --> 00:45:52,240
me to invest like this is this is where

1239
00:45:55,589 --> 00:45:53,359
i'm confused because there's other media

1240
00:45:57,910 --> 00:45:55,599
companies that don't do this that have

1241
00:45:59,829 --> 00:45:57,920
significantly less financial backing

1242
00:46:01,829 --> 00:45:59,839
than tom delong can personally provide

1243
00:46:03,990 --> 00:46:01,839
and maybe i'm wrong here so i i miss i'm

1244
00:46:05,349 --> 00:46:04,000
not a big financial guy but

1245
00:46:07,030 --> 00:46:05,359
that's sort of my two cents right off

1246
00:46:09,030 --> 00:46:07,040
the bat

1247
00:46:11,190 --> 00:46:09,040
and joseph

1248
00:46:14,230 --> 00:46:11,200
well i mean it's gonna sound a little

1249
00:46:15,510 --> 00:46:14,240
crazy but like what walter was saying i

1250
00:46:17,990 --> 00:46:15,520
think that

1251
00:46:20,069 --> 00:46:18,000
from a marketing point of view this

1252
00:46:21,190 --> 00:46:20,079
could be a whole

1253
00:46:24,309 --> 00:46:21,200
test

1254
00:46:26,710 --> 00:46:24,319
to see

1255
00:46:28,950 --> 00:46:26,720
uh from government officials or whoever

1256
00:46:30,230 --> 00:46:28,960
is behind the scenes to see how many

1257
00:46:31,430 --> 00:46:30,240
people are actually going to go with

1258
00:46:33,030 --> 00:46:31,440
this thing

1259
00:46:34,309 --> 00:46:33,040
to determine what they're actually what

1260
00:46:35,349 --> 00:46:34,319
they're going to do for the future

1261
00:46:37,430 --> 00:46:35,359
because

1262
00:46:39,109 --> 00:46:37,440
other ufo investigators are actually

1263
00:46:41,109 --> 00:46:39,119
squeezing them a little bit and another

1264
00:46:43,750 --> 00:46:41,119
thing too is why didn't he go to some of

1265
00:46:46,150 --> 00:46:43,760
the big names in the ufo community and

1266
00:46:49,349 --> 00:46:46,160
ask for their uh

1267
00:46:51,270 --> 00:46:49,359
finances or or speak to invest in it you

1268
00:46:52,710 --> 00:46:51,280
know like the stanton friedman's or

1269
00:46:54,870 --> 00:46:52,720
obviously grant cameron's not going to

1270
00:46:56,950 --> 00:46:54,880
do it because he's on a campaign to to

1271
00:46:59,670 --> 00:46:56,960
tear this whole thing down right now but

1272
00:47:02,550 --> 00:46:59,680
if i'm gonna invest in something

1273
00:47:05,430 --> 00:47:02,560
if i gave him my money it would feel

1274
00:47:07,510 --> 00:47:05,440
like i'm a part of some type of a b

1275
00:47:09,829 --> 00:47:07,520
marketing split test it's not i'm not

1276
00:47:10,950 --> 00:47:09,839
getting anything for it because he's not

1277
00:47:13,349 --> 00:47:10,960
giving us

1278
00:47:16,230 --> 00:47:13,359
anything but just wait and see and to me

1279
00:47:17,589 --> 00:47:16,240
there's no value in that

1280
00:47:19,349 --> 00:47:17,599
thank you very much and richard that's

1281
00:47:21,910 --> 00:47:19,359
it there's no value

1282
00:47:24,150 --> 00:47:21,920
i mean i can only say ditto to what

1283
00:47:25,910 --> 00:47:24,160
everybody else is saying because you

1284
00:47:27,750 --> 00:47:25,920
know we have to do this the hard way we

1285
00:47:28,790 --> 00:47:27,760
don't get paid to go out there and do it

1286
00:47:33,349 --> 00:47:28,800
and

1287
00:47:36,230 --> 00:47:33,359
to not have anything to show for it it

1288
00:47:38,069 --> 00:47:36,240
bugs me man it's just like why him and

1289
00:47:40,309 --> 00:47:38,079
that's why i keep saying i don't

1290
00:47:42,470 --> 00:47:40,319
understand what the agenda is i

1291
00:47:43,349 --> 00:47:42,480
understand what he's saying it is

1292
00:47:45,430 --> 00:47:43,359
but

1293
00:47:47,270 --> 00:47:45,440
to me it just doesn't make sense it's

1294
00:47:49,670 --> 00:47:47,280
not enough money i understand he can get

1295
00:47:51,510 --> 00:47:49,680
funding elsewhere but

1296
00:47:53,750 --> 00:47:51,520
what is he showing them what is he

1297
00:47:56,309 --> 00:47:53,760
bringing to the table and and joe rogan

1298
00:47:57,349 --> 00:47:56,319
has him there too why you why are you so

1299
00:47:59,190 --> 00:47:57,359
special

1300
00:48:00,630 --> 00:47:59,200
he says well you know not right now but

1301
00:48:03,190 --> 00:48:00,640
i'll have to tell you later it was

1302
00:48:04,870 --> 00:48:03,200
always later just like this now later

1303
00:48:06,630 --> 00:48:04,880
give me give me a few hundred million

1304
00:48:07,430 --> 00:48:06,640
and we'll see what happens yeah that's

1305
00:48:10,069 --> 00:48:07,440
it

1306
00:48:11,910 --> 00:48:10,079
so i just don't really understand

1307
00:48:13,829 --> 00:48:11,920
i i don't know what's gonna happen short

1308
00:48:16,150 --> 00:48:13,839
term i could see

1309
00:48:17,109 --> 00:48:16,160
but long term i think he's just gonna be

1310
00:48:21,430 --> 00:48:17,119
another

1311
00:48:23,670 --> 00:48:21,440
182

1312
00:48:27,589 --> 00:48:23,680
oh

1313
00:48:32,110 --> 00:48:29,910
well the guy's got 60 million

1314
00:48:33,510 --> 00:48:32,120
so i don't know maybe i don't know

1315
00:48:35,030 --> 00:48:33,520
[Music]

1316
00:48:36,069 --> 00:48:35,040
thumbs up

1317
00:48:38,390 --> 00:48:36,079
do you do you think he's into the

1318
00:48:40,549 --> 00:48:38,400
russians for money that'll be my new

1319
00:48:42,309 --> 00:48:40,559
money laundering scheme the next either

1320
00:48:46,790 --> 00:48:42,319
that or part two is gonna be that you

1321
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:50,470
and buy these knives

1322
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:54,710
look it can cut through a can

1323
00:48:58,870 --> 00:48:56,069
and

1324
00:49:00,390 --> 00:48:58,880
joe don't cut this lemon

1325
00:49:03,030 --> 00:49:00,400
joe what do you think

1326
00:49:04,950 --> 00:49:03,040
um well first off when he was asked

1327
00:49:06,470 --> 00:49:04,960
why you he said

1328
00:49:07,990 --> 00:49:06,480
because

1329
00:49:09,750 --> 00:49:08,000
i can provide them something they don't

1330
00:49:10,790 --> 00:49:09,760
do anything for anybody unless you can

1331
00:49:12,150 --> 00:49:10,800
provide them something he's

1332
00:49:13,589 --> 00:49:12,160
communication he's got the media

1333
00:49:14,950 --> 00:49:13,599
background i mean if he produced that

1334
00:49:17,030 --> 00:49:14,960
one video the four minute video it's

1335
00:49:18,710 --> 00:49:17,040
pretty impressive professional looking

1336
00:49:20,150 --> 00:49:18,720
um as far as making movies i don't know

1337
00:49:21,109 --> 00:49:20,160
if he can direct a feature film we'll

1338
00:49:21,990 --> 00:49:21,119
see

1339
00:49:25,270 --> 00:49:22,000
and

1340
00:49:27,109 --> 00:49:25,280
the other thing i would say about um

1341
00:49:28,390 --> 00:49:27,119
yeah he's worth a lot of money i think

1342
00:49:30,470 --> 00:49:28,400
the guy just

1343
00:49:31,829 --> 00:49:30,480
cares about the topic and he wants to

1344
00:49:34,150 --> 00:49:31,839
get the information out whether he's not

1345
00:49:36,230 --> 00:49:34,160
he's being used or not i don't know um i

1346
00:49:38,309 --> 00:49:36,240
do want to hear him being asked by i

1347
00:49:39,910 --> 00:49:38,319
want to see all of them take questions

1348
00:49:41,270 --> 00:49:39,920
like leslie keane i want to hear hear

1349
00:49:43,670 --> 00:49:41,280
her say okay people have problems with

1350
00:49:47,030 --> 00:49:43,680
the money so can you explain the money

1351
00:49:48,710 --> 00:49:47,040
specifically go into detail um

1352
00:49:49,910 --> 00:49:48,720
all those guys i really wanna i agree

1353
00:49:51,589 --> 00:49:49,920
they should be taking questions so

1354
00:49:52,870 --> 00:49:51,599
hopefully in the future they do because

1355
00:49:54,470 --> 00:49:52,880
right now

1356
00:49:56,069 --> 00:49:54,480
it's definitely looks a little shady

1357
00:49:56,829 --> 00:49:56,079
when they don't answer any questions

1358
00:50:00,470 --> 00:49:56,839
from

1359
00:50:05,430 --> 00:50:02,710
well uh

1360
00:50:07,190 --> 00:50:05,440
yeah his finances are kind of they're

1361
00:50:08,790 --> 00:50:07,200
kind of curious i'm not too concerned

1362
00:50:10,549 --> 00:50:08,800
about you know the the four hundred

1363
00:50:13,670 --> 00:50:10,559
thousand dollars being shuffled around

1364
00:50:15,270 --> 00:50:13,680
you know businesses do that you know if

1365
00:50:17,109 --> 00:50:15,280
if a business doesn't work under a

1366
00:50:18,549 --> 00:50:17,119
certain model they'll

1367
00:50:20,069 --> 00:50:18,559
they'll you know they'll reboot and

1368
00:50:21,430 --> 00:50:20,079
they'll they'll transfer their debts or

1369
00:50:23,190 --> 00:50:21,440
whatever and they'll try different

1370
00:50:25,109 --> 00:50:23,200
strategies i think so you know what

1371
00:50:26,470 --> 00:50:25,119
you're seeing here is that you know i

1372
00:50:27,349 --> 00:50:26,480
don't think it's too much of a shell

1373
00:50:29,670 --> 00:50:27,359
game

1374
00:50:31,829 --> 00:50:29,680
uh but uh

1375
00:50:34,950 --> 00:50:31,839
you know when it when it comes down to

1376
00:50:36,069 --> 00:50:34,960
what is he raising money for

1377
00:50:38,069 --> 00:50:36,079
um

1378
00:50:41,750 --> 00:50:38,079
i think the goal initially was like 50

1379
00:50:43,910 --> 00:50:41,760
million dollars and uh you know when you

1380
00:50:44,870 --> 00:50:43,920
have 50 million dollars it it's not

1381
00:50:46,630 --> 00:50:44,880
going to be

1382
00:50:48,790 --> 00:50:46,640
tech startup money and it's certainly

1383
00:50:51,829 --> 00:50:48,800
not going to be money to where

1384
00:50:54,710 --> 00:50:51,839
you can you know develop a warp ship to

1385
00:50:56,230 --> 00:50:54,720
go to another galaxy uh

1386
00:50:59,910 --> 00:50:56,240
you know that that's trillions of

1387
00:51:02,150 --> 00:50:59,920
dollars of 50 million dollars is uh

1388
00:51:03,750 --> 00:51:02,160
pretty much movie money it's pretty much

1389
00:51:04,870 --> 00:51:03,760
entertainment money

1390
00:51:07,109 --> 00:51:04,880
uh

1391
00:51:10,790 --> 00:51:07,119
and you know what what's curious about

1392
00:51:13,910 --> 00:51:10,800
that is you know tom is

1393
00:51:16,870 --> 00:51:13,920
worth uh somewhere between uh

1394
00:51:18,549 --> 00:51:16,880
50 and 80 million dollars from when i

1395
00:51:21,270 --> 00:51:18,559
and some people are like well you know

1396
00:51:24,309 --> 00:51:21,280
why doesn't he just fund this himself

1397
00:51:26,630 --> 00:51:24,319
you know but uh as a smart businessman

1398
00:51:28,309 --> 00:51:26,640
uh you know tom knows that it's better

1399
00:51:30,230 --> 00:51:28,319
to have other people fund your projects

1400
00:51:31,990 --> 00:51:30,240
than you'd have them you know have fund

1401
00:51:32,950 --> 00:51:32,000
them yourselves so you know what we're

1402
00:51:37,910 --> 00:51:32,960
seeing

1403
00:51:39,589 --> 00:51:37,920
try to establish a a media empire

1404
00:51:41,190 --> 00:51:39,599
because i think deep down ultimately he

1405
00:51:44,390 --> 00:51:41,200
wants to be

1406
00:51:45,829 --> 00:51:44,400
the george lucas or the chris carter of

1407
00:51:46,870 --> 00:51:45,839
ufology

1408
00:51:48,549 --> 00:51:46,880
and uh

1409
00:51:50,230 --> 00:51:48,559
maybe even you know like the robert

1410
00:51:51,829 --> 00:51:50,240
bigelow you know the next robert bigelow

1411
00:51:53,349 --> 00:51:51,839
because he's certainly put feelers out

1412
00:51:55,670 --> 00:51:53,359
that he wants to

1413
00:51:57,910 --> 00:51:55,680
you know that

1414
00:51:59,430 --> 00:51:57,920
type of person you know in in the tech

1415
00:52:00,870 --> 00:51:59,440
world to become involved with this

1416
00:52:03,109 --> 00:52:00,880
project so

1417
00:52:04,950 --> 00:52:03,119
you know there's a lot of vanity aspects

1418
00:52:07,670 --> 00:52:04,960
to this which i think has turned off a

1419
00:52:09,990 --> 00:52:07,680
lot of people but uh yeah i don't think

1420
00:52:12,150 --> 00:52:10,000
it's a con i just think i i do think

1421
00:52:14,630 --> 00:52:12,160
he's sincere but i but i think his

1422
00:52:16,470 --> 00:52:14,640
motivations you know are not necessarily

1423
00:52:20,390 --> 00:52:16,480
for the field i think they're they're

1424
00:52:22,230 --> 00:52:20,400
for himself and uh curious enough

1425
00:52:24,790 --> 00:52:22,240
tom's not the only one that has put this

1426
00:52:28,069 --> 00:52:24,800
out here steven greer in the past couple

1427
00:52:30,630 --> 00:52:28,079
of years has done the exact same thing

1428
00:52:32,230 --> 00:52:30,640
and steven greer and tom were actually

1429
00:52:33,750 --> 00:52:32,240
you know sort of connected together i

1430
00:52:34,790 --> 00:52:33,760
think they've had had a falling out

1431
00:52:36,710 --> 00:52:34,800
sense but

1432
00:52:39,030 --> 00:52:36,720
steven greer is doing the uh the same

1433
00:52:40,710 --> 00:52:39,040
sort of deal he is uh producing films in

1434
00:52:42,870 --> 00:52:40,720
order to try to fund experimental

1435
00:52:44,549 --> 00:52:42,880
technology that he thinks is going to

1436
00:52:47,270 --> 00:52:44,559
change the world and free us from this

1437
00:52:50,069 --> 00:52:47,280
evil evil cabal that you know is

1438
00:52:51,510 --> 00:52:50,079
enslaving us through energy policy you

1439
00:52:53,990 --> 00:52:51,520
know so

1440
00:52:55,750 --> 00:52:54,000
yeah but you know what if tom delong if

1441
00:52:57,829 --> 00:52:55,760
tom delong has all this money why

1442
00:52:59,349 --> 00:52:57,839
doesn't he lead by example and put 10

1443
00:53:01,670 --> 00:52:59,359
million in first

1444
00:53:03,190 --> 00:53:01,680
so that bothers me if he has money put

1445
00:53:05,270 --> 00:53:03,200
that money in there and prove to us that

1446
00:53:06,870 --> 00:53:05,280
you're serious and then

1447
00:53:09,190 --> 00:53:06,880
i want him to i want him to put it into

1448
00:53:13,109 --> 00:53:09,200
um research

1449
00:53:17,430 --> 00:53:15,589
i can watch x-files i can watch

1450
00:53:19,030 --> 00:53:17,440
you know a george lucas film there's

1451
00:53:20,470 --> 00:53:19,040
plenty of you know stranger things is on

1452
00:53:22,950 --> 00:53:20,480
you know i can watch all the weird stuff

1453
00:53:24,630 --> 00:53:22,960
you know and and and i will consume what

1454
00:53:26,790 --> 00:53:24,640
tom produces you know all of us will

1455
00:53:28,870 --> 00:53:26,800
because we're ufo nerds right you know

1456
00:53:30,710 --> 00:53:28,880
so we're ready to we're going to buy his

1457
00:53:32,710 --> 00:53:30,720
media uh

1458
00:53:34,230 --> 00:53:32,720
you know but

1459
00:53:36,230 --> 00:53:34,240
slow down there nobody said anything

1460
00:53:38,150 --> 00:53:36,240
about buying his media we're we're in

1461
00:53:39,030 --> 00:53:38,160
the internet age

1462
00:53:39,910 --> 00:53:39,040
right

1463
00:53:41,990 --> 00:53:39,920
yeah

1464
00:53:44,470 --> 00:53:42,000
i steal it as much as possible because

1465
00:53:47,670 --> 00:53:44,480
that's pawn that's punk rock right there

1466
00:53:49,670 --> 00:53:47,680
is you know stealing from the man so and

1467
00:53:51,910 --> 00:53:49,680
walter

1468
00:53:54,069 --> 00:53:51,920
well you know i'm just wondering uh how

1469
00:53:56,390 --> 00:53:54,079
soon we're going to be doing the show

1470
00:53:59,270 --> 00:53:56,400
where we discuss what a big dead end

1471
00:54:02,069 --> 00:53:59,280
uh to the north academy was and and how

1472
00:54:04,790 --> 00:54:02,079
it diverted and derailed you know ufo

1473
00:54:07,910 --> 00:54:04,800
media for however many months or years

1474
00:54:10,470 --> 00:54:07,920
um i see that i i see us having that

1475
00:54:11,510 --> 00:54:10,480
conversation down the road i really do

1476
00:54:13,190 --> 00:54:11,520
um

1477
00:54:15,750 --> 00:54:13,200
you know this gets into

1478
00:54:19,990 --> 00:54:15,760
um what you perceive the ufo phenomena

1479
00:54:22,829 --> 00:54:20,000
to be and and personally i've come to um

1480
00:54:27,270 --> 00:54:22,839
lean towards it's

1481
00:54:29,030 --> 00:54:27,280
a strangely it's kind of a private

1482
00:54:31,430 --> 00:54:29,040
personal phenomena

1483
00:54:33,270 --> 00:54:31,440
phenomenon um

1484
00:54:35,190 --> 00:54:33,280
now i'm convinced that there are

1485
00:54:37,430 --> 00:54:35,200
extraterrestrial civilizations i think

1486
00:54:39,190 --> 00:54:37,440
they come and go here i think eventually

1487
00:54:41,109 --> 00:54:39,200
they're just gonna show up kind of like

1488
00:54:43,030 --> 00:54:41,119
at the end of apocalypto when the guys

1489
00:54:45,349 --> 00:54:43,040
from europe just landed on the beaches

1490
00:54:47,750 --> 00:54:45,359
and the natives were like who the hell

1491
00:54:49,510 --> 00:54:47,760
is that i think eventually this is gonna

1492
00:54:52,710 --> 00:54:49,520
happen the armada the fleets are gonna

1493
00:54:55,510 --> 00:54:52,720
show up but for some reason for right

1494
00:54:56,470 --> 00:54:55,520
now and for a very long time it has been

1495
00:54:57,510 --> 00:54:56,480
um

1496
00:54:59,510 --> 00:54:57,520
you know

1497
00:55:01,990 --> 00:54:59,520
the more you look at it a private

1498
00:55:02,870 --> 00:55:02,000
personal phenomenon

1499
00:55:05,430 --> 00:55:02,880
and

1500
00:55:07,349 --> 00:55:05,440
so when you have these guys make these

1501
00:55:09,190 --> 00:55:07,359
grandiose statements where you know

1502
00:55:10,710 --> 00:55:09,200
disclosure disclosure disclosure the

1503
00:55:13,190 --> 00:55:10,720
whole the whole thing

1504
00:55:16,309 --> 00:55:13,200
um from my perspective what i just

1505
00:55:18,390 --> 00:55:16,319
explained i'm increasingly just more

1506
00:55:20,230 --> 00:55:18,400
cynical about that

1507
00:55:22,150 --> 00:55:20,240
you know i think et's gonna disclose

1508
00:55:24,790 --> 00:55:22,160
themselves when they're ready to

1509
00:55:27,670 --> 00:55:24,800
they control disclosure um

1510
00:55:29,990 --> 00:55:27,680
grassroots efforts and the people by

1511
00:55:31,829 --> 00:55:30,000
golly i want disclosure you know that

1512
00:55:33,030 --> 00:55:31,839
ain't gonna do it folks you can stomp

1513
00:55:35,670 --> 00:55:33,040
your feet

1514
00:55:36,950 --> 00:55:35,680
you know and cry all you want but uh

1515
00:55:39,109 --> 00:55:36,960
they

1516
00:55:42,390 --> 00:55:39,119
those who are to be disclosed

1517
00:55:45,349 --> 00:55:42,400
in my opinion um control disclosure and

1518
00:55:48,470 --> 00:55:45,359
so all this stuff is for naught i like

1519
00:55:50,069 --> 00:55:48,480
what uh michael said you know tom put or

1520
00:55:52,789 --> 00:55:50,079
maybe

1521
00:55:54,390 --> 00:55:52,799
put the money into ufo research and that

1522
00:55:56,789 --> 00:55:54,400
doesn't mean just buy every book on the

1523
00:55:58,950 --> 00:55:56,799
planet and read it and then say i know

1524
00:56:00,630 --> 00:55:58,960
everything um you know put your money

1525
00:56:03,589 --> 00:56:00,640
into the research go out into the field

1526
00:56:06,069 --> 00:56:03,599
you know do do the footwork

1527
00:56:08,870 --> 00:56:06,079
and do real investigation in in real

1528
00:56:10,630 --> 00:56:08,880
research and then some of us will take

1529
00:56:11,589 --> 00:56:10,640
you more seriously

1530
00:56:13,510 --> 00:56:11,599
yeah

1531
00:56:18,470 --> 00:56:13,520
go sorry but i was going to say what

1532
00:56:22,069 --> 00:56:20,630
i really hope uh i really hope that he

1533
00:56:24,549 --> 00:56:22,079
does

1534
00:56:26,390 --> 00:56:24,559
move forward and actually

1535
00:56:28,309 --> 00:56:26,400
find something you know i hope that he

1536
00:56:31,270 --> 00:56:28,319
does come up with something to show us

1537
00:56:32,710 --> 00:56:31,280
um i really i don't believe that he's

1538
00:56:34,710 --> 00:56:32,720
just

1539
00:56:37,589 --> 00:56:34,720
trying to

1540
00:56:39,670 --> 00:56:37,599
the money to to run off with or anything

1541
00:56:41,589 --> 00:56:39,680
i think he really does have intentions

1542
00:56:43,349 --> 00:56:41,599
but the movie thing that's like during

1543
00:56:44,870 --> 00:56:43,359
that joe rogan interview i mean that

1544
00:56:46,630 --> 00:56:44,880
that was the main thing is he's going to

1545
00:56:48,230 --> 00:56:46,640
make some movies i think he's going to

1546
00:56:50,549 --> 00:56:48,240
do a little bit of ufo research and i

1547
00:56:52,150 --> 00:56:50,559
hope i'm hope you know hope to hope that

1548
00:56:54,150 --> 00:56:52,160
he does and then he comes up with

1549
00:56:56,549 --> 00:56:54,160
something i don't think that's what's

1550
00:56:58,390 --> 00:56:56,559
going to happen i'm i'm pretty confident

1551
00:57:00,789 --> 00:56:58,400
he's going to make some probably

1552
00:57:01,990 --> 00:57:00,799
be rated type movies

1553
00:57:03,910 --> 00:57:02,000
and

1554
00:57:06,230 --> 00:57:03,920
pretty much try to take stephen greer's

1555
00:57:07,589 --> 00:57:06,240
spot which is another i think that's a

1556
00:57:10,470 --> 00:57:07,599
possibility

1557
00:57:12,789 --> 00:57:10,480
they're replacing grier as their show or

1558
00:57:14,549 --> 00:57:12,799
gear no longer is a good enough shill

1559
00:57:17,349 --> 00:57:14,559
and now tom delong is going to be the

1560
00:57:19,510 --> 00:57:17,359
guy he has a wider the younger audience

1561
00:57:21,190 --> 00:57:19,520
that'll follow him because nobody i mean

1562
00:57:22,309 --> 00:57:21,200
i just got into the ufo stuff the last

1563
00:57:24,630 --> 00:57:22,319
couple of years

1564
00:57:26,630 --> 00:57:24,640
and greer is not very appealing to me

1565
00:57:28,549 --> 00:57:26,640
i'm a millennial um

1566
00:57:31,030 --> 00:57:28,559
and he's just not somebody i've i've

1567
00:57:34,309 --> 00:57:31,040
watched his movies and no i have no

1568
00:57:36,789 --> 00:57:34,319
there's no appeal there whatsoever

1569
00:57:37,990 --> 00:57:36,799
yeah i'll watch tom delong's move movies

1570
00:57:40,630 --> 00:57:38,000
just because he could say something

1571
00:57:42,549 --> 00:57:40,640
funny you know and i think

1572
00:57:44,710 --> 00:57:42,559
um i think maybe he's just going to be

1573
00:57:46,309 --> 00:57:44,720
the new show the new disseminator and

1574
00:57:47,589 --> 00:57:46,319
they might just

1575
00:57:49,910 --> 00:57:47,599
you know maybe they're trying to reach a

1576
00:57:51,910 --> 00:57:49,920
younger audience

1577
00:57:55,349 --> 00:57:51,920
well thank you very much mj you wanted

1578
00:57:56,789 --> 00:57:55,359
to add something before i asked

1579
00:57:57,990 --> 00:57:56,799
that guy's opinion

1580
00:58:00,309 --> 00:57:58,000
yeah just in relation to sort of

1581
00:58:02,230 --> 00:58:00,319
something that walter said and

1582
00:58:03,990 --> 00:58:02,240
and and what that guy sort of continued

1583
00:58:05,670 --> 00:58:04,000
on i think it's interesting and sort of

1584
00:58:07,109 --> 00:58:05,680
referencing the millennials um you know

1585
00:58:08,789 --> 00:58:07,119
ultimately ufo research has been

1586
00:58:10,630 --> 00:58:08,799
happening you know over the last 70

1587
00:58:11,990 --> 00:58:10,640
years and and you know

1588
00:58:13,750 --> 00:58:12,000
we can sort of debate whether it's

1589
00:58:16,789 --> 00:58:13,760
accomplished sort of anything

1590
00:58:19,030 --> 00:58:16,799
of you know significant value but um

1591
00:58:21,670 --> 00:58:19,040
ultimately you know tom delong's kind of

1592
00:58:23,829 --> 00:58:21,680
company or this idea to the stars is is

1593
00:58:25,750 --> 00:58:23,839
is almost like this logical progression

1594
00:58:28,069 --> 00:58:25,760
right you know ufo

1595
00:58:30,230 --> 00:58:28,079
work started off as you know basic

1596
00:58:32,150 --> 00:58:30,240
investigative work people had sightings

1597
00:58:34,309 --> 00:58:32,160
investigators went from the field spoke

1598
00:58:36,549 --> 00:58:34,319
to the witnesses and tried to sort of

1599
00:58:39,510 --> 00:58:36,559
either debunk or build cases based upon

1600
00:58:41,589 --> 00:58:39,520
witness testimony um and then ultimately

1601
00:58:43,270 --> 00:58:41,599
this sort of evolved over time into this

1602
00:58:45,510 --> 00:58:43,280
disclosure project right and and you

1603
00:58:47,510 --> 00:58:45,520
have disclosureists like stephen bassett

1604
00:58:49,589 --> 00:58:47,520
uh and and others commonly saying you

1605
00:58:50,390 --> 00:58:49,599
know the era of ufo investigation is

1606
00:58:51,190 --> 00:58:50,400
over

1607
00:58:52,950 --> 00:58:51,200
um

1608
00:58:54,390 --> 00:58:52,960
that is no longer relevant right it's

1609
00:58:55,510 --> 00:58:54,400
now about disclosure the government

1610
00:58:57,990 --> 00:58:55,520
knows what's going on so we should

1611
00:58:59,589 --> 00:58:58,000
petition them and you know extract data

1612
00:59:01,829 --> 00:58:59,599
from them because they have the truth

1613
00:59:03,510 --> 00:59:01,839
what's the point of talking to witnesses

1614
00:59:06,069 --> 00:59:03,520
when you know the government has these

1615
00:59:08,549 --> 00:59:06,079
files and and tom's sort of companies

1616
00:59:11,910 --> 00:59:08,559
almost like that sort of one step next

1617
00:59:14,230 --> 00:59:11,920
after disclosure um where where you know

1618
00:59:17,430 --> 00:59:14,240
investigative to disclosure to now sort

1619
00:59:19,510 --> 00:59:17,440
of this mixing of of media and an

1620
00:59:21,430 --> 00:59:19,520
investigative work i suppose in research

1621
00:59:23,829 --> 00:59:21,440
and scientific it's almost like he's

1622
00:59:27,030 --> 00:59:23,839
hybridizing disclosure investigation and

1623
00:59:28,069 --> 00:59:27,040
media into one sort of concept um and

1624
00:59:30,470 --> 00:59:28,079
it's gonna be interesting to see sort of

1625
00:59:32,309 --> 00:59:30,480
in a decade or two decades of where it's

1626
00:59:35,430 --> 00:59:32,319
gonna go next right what is kind of the

1627
00:59:38,309 --> 00:59:35,440
next step of of the culture

1628
00:59:40,390 --> 00:59:38,319
what's the next step of of ufo research

1629
00:59:42,789 --> 00:59:40,400
going to look like and it's tom de long

1630
00:59:44,710 --> 00:59:42,799
sort of providing almost like a stepping

1631
00:59:46,870 --> 00:59:44,720
stone whether that stone leads to you

1632
00:59:49,670 --> 00:59:46,880
know a pit where it's just endlessly

1633
00:59:51,349 --> 00:59:49,680
falling and it all is awful or does you

1634
00:59:52,309 --> 00:59:51,359
know lead to something sort of better or

1635
00:59:53,190 --> 00:59:52,319
greater

1636
00:59:53,990 --> 00:59:53,200
um

1637
00:59:55,349 --> 00:59:54,000
you know

1638
00:59:57,910 --> 00:59:55,359
it's sort of interesting to watch sort

1639
00:59:59,750 --> 00:59:57,920
of the history unfold a little bit here

1640
01:00:01,109 --> 00:59:59,760
and and maybe tom delong is just sort of

1641
01:00:03,109 --> 01:00:01,119
following the natural progression of

1642
01:00:03,990 --> 01:00:03,119
where ufo research is ultimately sort of

1643
01:00:07,990 --> 01:00:04,000
heading

1644
01:00:09,030 --> 01:00:08,000
um or or needs to head i suppose

1645
01:00:11,270 --> 01:00:09,040
thank you very much and this actually

1646
01:00:12,789 --> 01:00:11,280
leads into our next question and uh i

1647
01:00:15,030 --> 01:00:12,799
know for uh

1648
01:00:17,829 --> 01:00:15,040
to bram who is asking a question in the

1649
01:00:19,910 --> 01:00:17,839
panel uh this is actually relevant to

1650
01:00:22,630 --> 01:00:19,920
what you're asking um

1651
01:00:24,150 --> 01:00:22,640
for the panel you have been talking

1652
01:00:25,430 --> 01:00:24,160
about disclosure the last little while

1653
01:00:26,710 --> 01:00:25,440
obviously

1654
01:00:29,670 --> 01:00:26,720
there seems to be many forms of

1655
01:00:31,109 --> 01:00:29,680
disclosure uh from many forms of beings

1656
01:00:34,069 --> 01:00:31,119
and there would this would not be a den

1657
01:00:36,549 --> 01:00:34,079
of lore show if we didn't talk about the

1658
01:00:38,710 --> 01:00:36,559
sphere being alliance so

1659
01:00:39,990 --> 01:00:38,720
and uh anybody who watches the show we

1660
01:00:42,630 --> 01:00:40,000
already know what i'm what i'm going to

1661
01:00:44,630 --> 01:00:42,640
say

1662
01:00:47,430 --> 01:00:44,640
disclosure comes in

1663
01:00:50,150 --> 01:00:47,440
many forms and so does

1664
01:00:51,910 --> 01:00:50,160
splitting up demographics

1665
01:00:53,510 --> 01:00:51,920
it seems

1666
01:00:56,230 --> 01:00:53,520
that

1667
01:00:57,910 --> 01:00:56,240
when it comes to the more fringe

1668
01:00:59,829 --> 01:00:57,920
subjects

1669
01:01:02,069 --> 01:00:59,839
research for marketing has shown that

1670
01:01:04,230 --> 01:01:02,079
predominantly men and it's usually about

1671
01:01:07,750 --> 01:01:04,240
an 80 20 split

1672
01:01:11,589 --> 01:01:07,760
80 to 80 men 20 women are interested in

1673
01:01:12,710 --> 01:01:11,599
the nuts and bolts ufo

1674
01:01:15,589 --> 01:01:12,720
when

1675
01:01:17,829 --> 01:01:15,599
you bring in gaia

1676
01:01:20,150 --> 01:01:17,839
secret space program individuals such as

1677
01:01:22,309 --> 01:01:20,160
corey goode

1678
01:01:24,309 --> 01:01:22,319
they seem to be going after more of a

1679
01:01:26,710 --> 01:01:24,319
female demographic

1680
01:01:29,510 --> 01:01:26,720
and bringing in the more spiritual

1681
01:01:30,710 --> 01:01:29,520
uh psychic side of it

1682
01:01:31,829 --> 01:01:30,720
now

1683
01:01:35,030 --> 01:01:31,839
one thing

1684
01:01:36,150 --> 01:01:35,040
is both people have been called shills

1685
01:01:38,710 --> 01:01:36,160
by

1686
01:01:41,270 --> 01:01:38,720
various different segments of the ufo

1687
01:01:43,589 --> 01:01:41,280
community

1688
01:01:45,910 --> 01:01:43,599
to you what signifies

1689
01:01:49,109 --> 01:01:45,920
somebody who is disingenuous what are

1690
01:01:53,430 --> 01:01:51,270
i'll start actually um

1691
01:01:55,670 --> 01:01:53,440
anyone who claims to know what the

1692
01:01:57,670 --> 01:01:55,680
source of the ufo phenomenon is is a

1693
01:01:59,030 --> 01:01:57,680
shell

1694
01:02:00,870 --> 01:01:59,040
claims to know

1695
01:02:04,829 --> 01:02:00,880
that's a shell

1696
01:02:09,430 --> 01:02:07,109
crimerica yeah i can agree with that i

1697
01:02:10,710 --> 01:02:09,440
agree with that yeah

1698
01:02:12,870 --> 01:02:10,720
you know i'm gonna buy a bell so i could

1699
01:02:15,190 --> 01:02:12,880
just go ding

1700
01:02:17,589 --> 01:02:15,200
but as far as the 80 20 goes i mean i

1701
01:02:19,510 --> 01:02:17,599
think that's i don't think that i don't

1702
01:02:22,470 --> 01:02:19,520
think that 80 20 differs whether you go

1703
01:02:24,950 --> 01:02:22,480
to corey good or stephen grier or

1704
01:02:26,710 --> 01:02:24,960
i'm i mean from what the demographics i

1705
01:02:31,430 --> 01:02:26,720
can see from my own audience it's about

1706
01:02:33,030 --> 01:02:31,440
80 20. i think the whole field is 80 20.

1707
01:02:35,030 --> 01:02:33,040
well which is one of the reasons why it

1708
01:02:37,589 --> 01:02:35,040
brought up that there is the secret

1709
01:02:38,630 --> 01:02:37,599
space program a gaia tv style because

1710
01:02:39,829 --> 01:02:38,640
they're going after the female

1711
01:02:41,910 --> 01:02:39,839
demographic they're going after the

1712
01:02:43,510 --> 01:02:41,920
other 80 of women

1713
01:02:45,990 --> 01:02:43,520
from that 20 percent who are not

1714
01:02:47,030 --> 01:02:46,000
currently involved in more of the fringe

1715
01:02:48,309 --> 01:02:47,040
subjects

1716
01:02:52,230 --> 01:02:48,319
you think you get do you think they're

1717
01:02:53,349 --> 01:02:52,240
getting them i think predominantly yes

1718
01:02:54,789 --> 01:02:53,359
yes

1719
01:02:56,630 --> 01:02:54,799
well

1720
01:02:58,470 --> 01:02:56,640
in in when it comes to the secret space

1721
01:02:59,910 --> 01:02:58,480
program style yeah they're predominantly

1722
01:03:02,710 --> 01:02:59,920
going after the women the female

1723
01:03:05,990 --> 01:03:02,720
demographic their entire at least to my

1724
01:03:07,190 --> 01:03:06,000
eye it is a female demographic so um but

1725
01:03:10,789 --> 01:03:07,200
that's kind of

1726
01:03:13,270 --> 01:03:10,799
i'm willing to go in touching on that

1727
01:03:15,670 --> 01:03:13,280
subject because i'm trying to be all

1728
01:03:19,910 --> 01:03:15,680
um unbiased and neutral in this one i'm

1729
01:03:23,029 --> 01:03:21,750
oh [\h__\h] man go back and watch enigmas

1730
01:03:24,789 --> 01:03:23,039
and [\h__\h] trust me there's enough of that

1731
01:03:26,230 --> 01:03:24,799
of me just going off on it

1732
01:03:28,230 --> 01:03:26,240
um

1733
01:03:29,109 --> 01:03:28,240
to joseph

1734
01:03:33,349 --> 01:03:29,119
what

1735
01:03:35,109 --> 01:03:33,359
the signs that you've seen from

1736
01:03:39,029 --> 01:03:35,119
disinformation agents or people who are

1737
01:03:44,710 --> 01:03:41,910
it's really simple i think

1738
01:03:46,630 --> 01:03:44,720
when they get on shows that are that are

1739
01:03:47,589 --> 01:03:46,640
when it's strictly a marketing thing

1740
01:03:49,670 --> 01:03:47,599
when it's

1741
01:03:51,510 --> 01:03:49,680
they're at shows that are an audience

1742
01:03:54,549 --> 01:03:51,520
for loyal people who will buy whatever

1743
01:03:56,470 --> 01:03:54,559
the host says buy when somebody says

1744
01:03:58,230 --> 01:03:56,480
when somebody that's intelligent and has

1745
01:03:59,990 --> 01:03:58,240
a large audience or somebody that is

1746
01:04:01,990 --> 01:04:00,000
bringing something to the table wants to

1747
01:04:03,990 --> 01:04:02,000
ask real questions they don't even

1748
01:04:05,589 --> 01:04:04,000
answer these kind of people they go to

1749
01:04:07,270 --> 01:04:05,599
one two three or shows because they got

1750
01:04:08,789 --> 01:04:07,280
a big audience and you'll hear them

1751
01:04:11,589 --> 01:04:08,799
pitch whatever they're selling about

1752
01:04:13,510 --> 01:04:11,599
nine to ten times but no one will ask

1753
01:04:15,510 --> 01:04:13,520
them a real question because they can't

1754
01:04:17,190 --> 01:04:15,520
answer it and if they don't have that

1755
01:04:19,190 --> 01:04:17,200
kind of evidence then they're a shield

1756
01:04:21,510 --> 01:04:19,200
to me you know if they won't go and sit

1757
01:04:24,069 --> 01:04:21,520
with the underground shows

1758
01:04:26,309 --> 01:04:24,079
there's and it's all about the money

1759
01:04:28,390 --> 01:04:26,319
then they're a shield to me uh somebody

1760
01:04:30,230 --> 01:04:28,400
that comes out and really cares about

1761
01:04:32,309 --> 01:04:30,240
disclosing the truth

1762
01:04:34,230 --> 01:04:32,319
i think his first priority would be to

1763
01:04:36,390 --> 01:04:34,240
hit all of the underground there's more

1764
01:04:38,870 --> 01:04:36,400
of us i think than there is the rest the

1765
01:04:40,950 --> 01:04:38,880
rest of them the underground truth

1766
01:04:43,750 --> 01:04:40,960
movement the people that really care

1767
01:04:45,589 --> 01:04:43,760
about the truth uh from a philosophical

1768
01:04:47,430 --> 01:04:45,599
nature and from

1769
01:04:49,829 --> 01:04:47,440
a questioning nature you know it doesn't

1770
01:04:52,069 --> 01:04:49,839
always have to be about entertainment

1771
01:04:53,829 --> 01:04:52,079
and even the mystery schools nowadays

1772
01:04:54,870 --> 01:04:53,839
there's something that's very sacred to

1773
01:04:58,230 --> 01:04:54,880
my heart

1774
01:05:01,109 --> 01:04:58,240
are being exploited as well uh in ways

1775
01:05:03,029 --> 01:05:01,119
that it disgusts me the whole thing

1776
01:05:05,829 --> 01:05:03,039
disgusts me

1777
01:05:08,309 --> 01:05:05,839
and joe the exploitation of secret

1778
01:05:09,510 --> 01:05:08,319
information

1779
01:05:10,789 --> 01:05:09,520
and uh

1780
01:05:13,750 --> 01:05:10,799
yeah i don't i don't really have a

1781
01:05:15,349 --> 01:05:13,760
strong opinion on this uh maybe

1782
01:05:17,670 --> 01:05:15,359
i could tell you

1783
01:05:19,029 --> 01:05:17,680
when somebody's speaking or doing an

1784
01:05:20,230 --> 01:05:19,039
interview and they forget to plug their

1785
01:05:21,510 --> 01:05:20,240
books until the end of the interview

1786
01:05:23,349 --> 01:05:21,520
because they're so focused on the

1787
01:05:25,109 --> 01:05:23,359
material that they're researching

1788
01:05:26,470 --> 01:05:25,119
usually a good sign for me

1789
01:05:27,829 --> 01:05:26,480
um

1790
01:05:29,430 --> 01:05:27,839
the other stuff usually just a gut

1791
01:05:30,710 --> 01:05:29,440
feeling i mean it's just me personally

1792
01:05:32,630 --> 01:05:30,720
i'll listen and

1793
01:05:34,390 --> 01:05:32,640
i don't buy it i don't buy it as far as

1794
01:05:36,390 --> 01:05:34,400
them selling selling something isn't

1795
01:05:37,430 --> 01:05:36,400
always right off the bat

1796
01:05:39,589 --> 01:05:37,440
something

1797
01:05:41,349 --> 01:05:39,599
that turns me off depends it depends on

1798
01:05:42,630 --> 01:05:41,359
what they talk about so it's it's

1799
01:05:43,670 --> 01:05:42,640
yeah i don't really have too much more

1800
01:05:46,950 --> 01:05:43,680
on that

1801
01:05:48,950 --> 01:05:46,960
thank you and uh richard

1802
01:05:51,190 --> 01:05:48,960
well for me it's when

1803
01:05:55,430 --> 01:05:51,200
you watch these their evidence whether

1804
01:05:58,309 --> 01:05:55,440
it be video or hearing audio or whatever

1805
01:06:00,950 --> 01:05:58,319
and you can debunk it or find a way to

1806
01:06:03,829 --> 01:06:00,960
prove them wrong and they still refuse

1807
01:06:07,190 --> 01:06:03,839
to learn from that and continue to post

1808
01:06:08,870 --> 01:06:07,200
it as legitimate footage and eventually

1809
01:06:11,349 --> 01:06:08,880
put it on their website and try to make

1810
01:06:13,430 --> 01:06:11,359
a buck on a video that isn't even real

1811
01:06:15,670 --> 01:06:13,440
and that's what i've noticed the people

1812
01:06:17,190 --> 01:06:15,680
i've met in this field you

1813
01:06:19,109 --> 01:06:17,200
you can tell who they are it's not that

1814
01:06:21,510 --> 01:06:19,119
hard you go to their website and hey

1815
01:06:24,069 --> 01:06:21,520
look at this ufo videos from 2007 to

1816
01:06:26,069 --> 01:06:24,079
2010. i used to be ghost hunting i've

1817
01:06:27,990 --> 01:06:26,079
got all these videos you could buy and

1818
01:06:31,029 --> 01:06:28,000
now they're in volume one and two real

1819
01:06:33,349 --> 01:06:31,039
cheap so it's like my god man you're

1820
01:06:35,270 --> 01:06:33,359
only here and i'm just repeating what

1821
01:06:36,950 --> 01:06:35,280
everybody else said is to sell a book or

1822
01:06:38,630 --> 01:06:36,960
make a buck there isn't a lot of money

1823
01:06:39,990 --> 01:06:38,640
to be made in this field i don't know

1824
01:06:42,390 --> 01:06:40,000
what their dreams are what their

1825
01:06:44,470 --> 01:06:42,400
aspirations are but i hope it's to get

1826
01:06:46,390 --> 01:06:44,480
the truth and if they make money then so

1827
01:06:48,470 --> 01:06:46,400
be it but i hope that somebody

1828
01:06:51,029 --> 01:06:48,480
accidentally finds a real ufo through

1829
01:06:52,230 --> 01:06:51,039
all that mess

1830
01:06:54,230 --> 01:06:52,240
you know you bring up a good point

1831
01:06:55,910 --> 01:06:54,240
richard with um

1832
01:06:58,789 --> 01:06:55,920
you know there's there's not a lot of

1833
01:07:01,349 --> 01:06:58,799
money to be made in the field and it

1834
01:07:04,309 --> 01:07:01,359
could be said that

1835
01:07:07,589 --> 01:07:04,319
a lot of the more legitimate researchers

1836
01:07:09,589 --> 01:07:07,599
in the ufo field and i i i'm not a ufo

1837
01:07:13,349 --> 01:07:09,599
researcher guy myself so i'm not putting

1838
01:07:15,670 --> 01:07:13,359
myself in that group um they rely

1839
01:07:17,990 --> 01:07:15,680
a lot of them uh really on what there is

1840
01:07:20,870 --> 01:07:18,000
available to be able to continue to do

1841
01:07:22,549 --> 01:07:20,880
the research and to write the books

1842
01:07:24,950 --> 01:07:22,559
the books that present

1843
01:07:27,190 --> 01:07:24,960
um the results of their investigative

1844
01:07:30,549 --> 01:07:27,200
work okay the fruits of their labor they

1845
01:07:33,270 --> 01:07:30,559
rely on what you know dollars there are

1846
01:07:34,710 --> 01:07:33,280
available out there and when you have

1847
01:07:37,109 --> 01:07:34,720
these big

1848
01:07:39,910 --> 01:07:37,119
things like you know tom delong and to

1849
01:07:42,630 --> 01:07:39,920
the stars academy or you know this whole

1850
01:07:44,950 --> 01:07:42,640
corporate thing be it gaia or again to

1851
01:07:46,870 --> 01:07:44,960
the stars you know as a corporate entity

1852
01:07:48,950 --> 01:07:46,880
you know they come in because god bless

1853
01:07:53,190 --> 01:07:48,960
them the public um

1854
01:07:56,150 --> 01:07:53,200
just loves the big show okay um

1855
01:07:57,750 --> 01:07:56,160
you know that sucks up like a vacuum all

1856
01:08:01,109 --> 01:07:57,760
the available resources and that's

1857
01:08:02,950 --> 01:08:01,119
another way that the the more down

1858
01:08:04,789 --> 01:08:02,960
grounded down-to-earth smaller but

1859
01:08:07,029 --> 01:08:04,799
serious researcher guy just gets

1860
01:08:08,870 --> 01:08:07,039
marginalized and pushed aside because

1861
01:08:11,510 --> 01:08:08,880
everybody's gonna you know there there's

1862
01:08:13,270 --> 01:08:11,520
only so many dollars only so much time

1863
01:08:15,109 --> 01:08:13,280
to spend your attention and they're

1864
01:08:18,390 --> 01:08:15,119
going to aim it all that way to the big

1865
01:08:20,630 --> 01:08:18,400
show um real quick story um this i

1866
01:08:23,189 --> 01:08:20,640
believe the southland corporation is the

1867
01:08:24,950 --> 01:08:23,199
company that started our own 7-eleven

1868
01:08:27,910 --> 01:08:24,960
one of the things they were famous for i

1869
01:08:29,510 --> 01:08:27,920
think back in the 60s was to go around

1870
01:08:31,749 --> 01:08:29,520
all the small towns and look for the

1871
01:08:33,110 --> 01:08:31,759
mom-and-pop general stores now i i might

1872
01:08:35,910 --> 01:08:33,120
be the only one here that's old enough

1873
01:08:38,390 --> 01:08:35,920
to remember the general store there were

1874
01:08:39,910 --> 01:08:38,400
several of those when i was a kid okay

1875
01:08:41,749 --> 01:08:39,920
and what the southland corporation did

1876
01:08:43,590 --> 01:08:41,759
was they sent their guys out they found

1877
01:08:46,709 --> 01:08:43,600
where the successful mom and pop store

1878
01:08:48,390 --> 01:08:46,719
was and instead of buying a lot

1879
01:08:50,709 --> 01:08:48,400
you know across town

1880
01:08:53,510 --> 01:08:50,719
right no no no they bought a lot right

1881
01:08:55,669 --> 01:08:53,520
next door to or across the street from

1882
01:08:57,510 --> 01:08:55,679
that privately owned mom and pop store

1883
01:09:00,070 --> 01:08:57,520
and they put in the bright shiny

1884
01:09:01,749 --> 01:09:00,080
colorful 7-eleven now again god bless

1885
01:09:03,030 --> 01:09:01,759
the public where do you think they're

1886
01:09:04,789 --> 01:09:03,040
going to go they're going to go to the

1887
01:09:06,870 --> 01:09:04,799
mom and pop store no they're going to go

1888
01:09:08,789 --> 01:09:06,880
to the bright shiny thing and and 20

1889
01:09:11,110 --> 01:09:08,799
years later uh the a-holes that

1890
01:09:14,149 --> 01:09:11,120
blockbuster video did the same damn

1891
01:09:15,510 --> 01:09:14,159
thing and you know and it was they they

1892
01:09:17,749 --> 01:09:15,520
bought the lot right next door to the

1893
01:09:19,910 --> 01:09:17,759
mom-and-pop video store put them all out

1894
01:09:21,349 --> 01:09:19,920
of business and where's blockbuster now

1895
01:09:22,630 --> 01:09:21,359
i think they're just a few machines and

1896
01:09:24,470 --> 01:09:22,640
everybody hated them when they went out

1897
01:09:26,789 --> 01:09:24,480
of business i for one applauded when

1898
01:09:28,950 --> 01:09:26,799
they collapsed

1899
01:09:30,709 --> 01:09:28,960
um because their selections sucked

1900
01:09:32,870 --> 01:09:30,719
compared to the monument so they come in

1901
01:09:35,990 --> 01:09:32,880
and they destroy something better and i

1902
01:09:38,870 --> 01:09:36,000
think that's what to the stars and gaia

1903
01:09:40,390 --> 01:09:38,880
and you know c2 seasons nori took over

1904
01:09:42,870 --> 01:09:40,400
you know i think that's what they do

1905
01:09:45,749 --> 01:09:42,880
they come in and they destroy something

1906
01:09:47,749 --> 01:09:45,759
that's infinitely better than anything

1907
01:09:48,470 --> 01:09:47,759
they've ever been or done or put out

1908
01:09:50,390 --> 01:09:48,480
there

1909
01:09:52,309 --> 01:09:50,400
and as you can tell you know i'm one of

1910
01:09:54,550 --> 01:09:52,319
those that kind of pisses me off you

1911
01:09:55,750 --> 01:09:54,560
know you just come in and put on the

1912
01:09:56,550 --> 01:09:55,760
show

1913
01:09:59,350 --> 01:09:56,560
and

1914
01:10:00,950 --> 01:09:59,360
what you've offered is crap is weak crap

1915
01:10:02,470 --> 01:10:00,960
and um

1916
01:10:04,709 --> 01:10:02,480
yeah i guess i've gone off the question

1917
01:10:06,390 --> 01:10:04,719
here but it's just what you said

1918
01:10:08,790 --> 01:10:06,400
you know

1919
01:10:10,950 --> 01:10:08,800
made me think of that and uh

1920
01:10:12,470 --> 01:10:10,960
anyway i'd like i'd like to add to that

1921
01:10:15,030 --> 01:10:12,480
if i could uh

1922
01:10:17,350 --> 01:10:15,040
uh those are all good valid points and

1923
01:10:18,390 --> 01:10:17,360
and i think uh ultimately uh with the

1924
01:10:21,669 --> 01:10:18,400
long

1925
01:10:25,350 --> 01:10:21,679
and gaia and a lot of these uh corporate

1926
01:10:27,990 --> 01:10:25,360
uh oriented uh you know aspects of

1927
01:10:30,950 --> 01:10:28,000
ufology

1928
01:10:34,390 --> 01:10:30,960
what we're seeing is uh

1929
01:10:36,950 --> 01:10:34,400
yeah there there is within the field

1930
01:10:38,390 --> 01:10:36,960
uh especially now a professional

1931
01:10:42,550 --> 01:10:38,400
class

1932
01:10:43,510 --> 01:10:42,560
uh of ufology and uh what i mean by that

1933
01:10:45,830 --> 01:10:43,520
is

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01:10:47,669 --> 01:10:45,840
uh those people that produce books those

1935
01:10:50,390 --> 01:10:47,679
people that appear on tv shows those

1936
01:10:53,350 --> 01:10:50,400
people uh that are part of the of the

1937
01:10:55,910 --> 01:10:53,360
conference circuit and and and a lot of

1938
01:10:58,310 --> 01:10:55,920
this is dissemination of of of

1939
01:11:00,630 --> 01:10:58,320
information but it's also you know sort

1940
01:11:03,750 --> 01:11:00,640
of a subculture within the subculture

1941
01:11:05,590 --> 01:11:03,760
this professional class that is

1942
01:11:07,990 --> 01:11:05,600
maybe not making a living but they're

1943
01:11:09,270 --> 01:11:08,000
they're certainly plugged into it

1944
01:11:10,470 --> 01:11:09,280
and they're and they're looking for the

1945
01:11:13,510 --> 01:11:10,480
next gig

1946
01:11:15,990 --> 01:11:13,520
and and i think what you're seeing is is

1947
01:11:18,310 --> 01:11:16,000
like what walter said is you're seeing

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01:11:20,790 --> 01:11:18,320
these corporations come in

1949
01:11:23,430 --> 01:11:20,800
uh seeing that they can really

1950
01:11:25,030 --> 01:11:23,440
capitalize uh on this subject especially

1951
01:11:27,750 --> 01:11:25,040
in you know our internet

1952
01:11:30,149 --> 01:11:27,760
uh day and age and and i think

1953
01:11:32,630 --> 01:11:30,159
a lot within the community are are keen

1954
01:11:33,750 --> 01:11:32,640
to be involved in this uh primarily

1955
01:11:36,550 --> 01:11:33,760
because

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01:11:38,470 --> 01:11:36,560
they can become noticed they can

1957
01:11:41,110 --> 01:11:38,480
perpetuate their projects they can get

1958
01:11:43,189 --> 01:11:41,120
some money uh you know they can they can

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01:11:45,750 --> 01:11:43,199
become famous in a lot of respects and i

1960
01:11:47,750 --> 01:11:45,760
don't begrudge anybody doing that

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01:11:49,990 --> 01:11:47,760
my only concern is

1962
01:11:51,590 --> 01:11:50,000
when when the corporations come in and

1963
01:11:54,709 --> 01:11:51,600
the primary

1964
01:11:56,310 --> 01:11:54,719
modus operandi is making money

1965
01:11:58,070 --> 01:11:56,320
and then what what you're going to have

1966
01:12:00,870 --> 01:11:58,080
is you're going to have sensationalism

1967
01:12:04,149 --> 01:12:00,880
and entertainment and lies and

1968
01:12:06,790 --> 01:12:04,159
dishonesty and shills and con men and

1969
01:12:07,590 --> 01:12:06,800
people like that and and your legitimate

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01:12:08,550 --> 01:12:07,600
uh

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01:12:11,590 --> 01:12:08,560
research

1972
01:12:13,830 --> 01:12:11,600
uh which is legitimate because there are

1973
01:12:15,270 --> 01:12:13,840
anomalies out there

1974
01:12:17,669 --> 01:12:15,280
that need to be

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01:12:19,750 --> 01:12:17,679
identified and investigated and

1976
01:12:22,310 --> 01:12:19,760
by investigating those that's how that's

1977
01:12:23,189 --> 01:12:22,320
how we push the science forward so you

1978
01:12:25,830 --> 01:12:23,199
know it

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01:12:27,750 --> 01:12:25,840
all of these are symptoms of the state

1980
01:12:30,870 --> 01:12:27,760
of ufology

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01:12:33,270 --> 01:12:30,880
uh

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01:12:35,669 --> 01:12:33,280
largely has become this entertainment

1983
01:12:36,630 --> 01:12:35,679
money-making venture and and it's a fine

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01:12:39,110 --> 01:12:36,640
line

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01:12:41,270 --> 01:12:39,120
uh for a lot of these researchers that

1986
01:12:43,030 --> 01:12:41,280
that do want to be noticed that do want

1987
01:12:45,189 --> 01:12:43,040
to get their books published and and do

1988
01:12:46,390 --> 01:12:45,199
want to put out some quality work it's a

1989
01:12:48,390 --> 01:12:46,400
fine line

1990
01:12:51,110 --> 01:12:48,400
to walk between these

1991
01:12:54,790 --> 01:12:51,120
corporate interests in these uh

1992
01:12:57,669 --> 01:12:54,800
you know and and the search and and the

1993
01:13:00,390 --> 01:12:57,679
big thing that gives gets me is

1994
01:13:02,229 --> 01:13:00,400
ufo journalism has taken a hit

1995
01:13:05,510 --> 01:13:02,239
i think uh largely and this is

1996
01:13:07,990 --> 01:13:05,520
demonstrated within the the the long

1997
01:13:09,030 --> 01:13:08,000
uh subject i think uh

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01:13:11,750 --> 01:13:09,040
uh

1999
01:13:14,630 --> 01:13:11,760
there's really not much ufo journalism

2000
01:13:18,310 --> 01:13:14,640
going on uh you know your your people

2001
01:13:20,229 --> 01:13:18,320
like george knapp who i respect and love

2002
01:13:22,470 --> 01:13:20,239
great work uh you know people like

2003
01:13:25,030 --> 01:13:22,480
jeremy uh corbell

2004
01:13:28,149 --> 01:13:25,040
uh leslie keane a lot of these people

2005
01:13:30,709 --> 01:13:28,159
have been brought into the delon camp

2006
01:13:33,590 --> 01:13:30,719
where they are now spokespersons

2007
01:13:35,430 --> 01:13:33,600
and uh and and move fun a lot of these

2008
01:13:36,870 --> 01:13:35,440
other groups and and they become

2009
01:13:39,110 --> 01:13:36,880
advocates

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01:13:41,750 --> 01:13:39,120
uh you know when they have this access

2011
01:13:43,510 --> 01:13:41,760
and they become promoters

2012
01:13:45,030 --> 01:13:43,520
especially when they they know that

2013
01:13:47,270 --> 01:13:45,040
there's money involved and that there's

2014
01:13:50,630 --> 01:13:47,280
projects that they will get tapped for

2015
01:13:52,709 --> 01:13:50,640
you know so i i think journalism ufo

2016
01:13:55,430 --> 01:13:52,719
journalism is really

2017
01:13:57,110 --> 01:13:55,440
uh not in existence it's sort of sad

2018
01:13:59,110 --> 01:13:57,120
that with the de long thing

2019
01:14:02,790 --> 01:13:59,120
the best ufo journalist this year i

2020
01:14:03,590 --> 01:14:02,800
think has been uh joe rogan

2021
01:14:05,830 --> 01:14:03,600
you know

2022
01:14:07,750 --> 01:14:05,840
you you bring a good point that it must

2023
01:14:09,750 --> 01:14:07,760
also be said that uh

2024
01:14:13,110 --> 01:14:09,760
in many ways you could argue that

2025
01:14:15,510 --> 01:14:13,120
ufology did it to itself you followed he

2026
01:14:18,310 --> 01:14:15,520
left this gaping hole

2027
01:14:19,910 --> 01:14:18,320
for these guys to just come in and

2028
01:14:22,390 --> 01:14:19,920
and fill up and

2029
01:14:24,070 --> 01:14:22,400
suck it all up so

2030
01:14:26,390 --> 01:14:24,080
you know they've got to kind of

2031
01:14:27,510 --> 01:14:26,400
hit the refresh button

2032
01:14:29,430 --> 01:14:27,520
i'm going to jump in i think i think

2033
01:14:31,430 --> 01:14:29,440
there's always been sort of scam artists

2034
01:14:32,310 --> 01:14:31,440
in the ufo world like don't like i'm not

2035
01:14:34,149 --> 01:14:32,320
sure if this is actually a new

2036
01:14:36,470 --> 01:14:34,159
phenomenon i mean billy meyer and and

2037
01:14:38,229 --> 01:14:36,480
adamski are you know two prime examples

2038
01:14:40,229 --> 01:14:38,239
of guys who've been doing this for you

2039
01:14:42,790 --> 01:14:40,239
know a downside in the 50s and and meyer

2040
01:14:45,910 --> 01:14:42,800
in the 70s i mean they they were

2041
01:14:47,669 --> 01:14:45,920
attempting to make cash um or at least

2042
01:14:49,350 --> 01:14:47,679
earn some fame whatever you want to call

2043
01:14:51,990 --> 01:14:49,360
it um

2044
01:14:53,910 --> 01:14:52,000
using sort of the gullibility of people

2045
01:14:55,350 --> 01:14:53,920
and maybe it's you know maybe it is

2046
01:14:57,030 --> 01:14:55,360
ufology doing it to itself in that it

2047
01:15:00,229 --> 01:14:57,040
just it attracts a certain type of

2048
01:15:03,669 --> 01:15:00,239
person that you know um

2049
01:15:06,870 --> 01:15:03,679
wants to believe yeah and um

2050
01:15:08,550 --> 01:15:06,880
you know that is

2051
01:15:09,910 --> 01:15:08,560
something kind of inherent within the

2052
01:15:12,550 --> 01:15:09,920
community itself right within the

2053
01:15:14,709 --> 01:15:12,560
subculture itself um people seeking some

2054
01:15:16,950 --> 01:15:14,719
sort of salvation or some sort of faith

2055
01:15:20,149 --> 01:15:16,960
in in you know an extraterrestrial being

2056
01:15:22,950 --> 01:15:20,159
or civilization or um you know mystical

2057
01:15:25,750 --> 01:15:22,960
entity or you know whatever reiteration

2058
01:15:26,870 --> 01:15:25,760
of sort of the phenomenon um that we

2059
01:15:27,590 --> 01:15:26,880
have

2060
01:15:28,390 --> 01:15:27,600
um

2061
01:15:30,950 --> 01:15:28,400
so

2062
01:15:32,790 --> 01:15:30,960
maybe the corporate takeover of ufology

2063
01:15:35,030 --> 01:15:32,800
is just simply an extension of like the

2064
01:15:36,550 --> 01:15:35,040
billy meyer george adamsky phenomenon

2065
01:15:38,070 --> 01:15:36,560
right it's just it just it just works a

2066
01:15:39,350 --> 01:15:38,080
lot more efficiently now you don't need

2067
01:15:41,990 --> 01:15:39,360
some crazy

2068
01:15:43,510 --> 01:15:42,000
swedish guy you can just you know have

2069
01:15:45,030 --> 01:15:43,520
tom delong do it for you right and then

2070
01:15:46,310 --> 01:15:45,040
he can crowd like

2071
01:15:47,750 --> 01:15:46,320
these guys been doing it for a long time

2072
01:15:48,790 --> 01:15:47,760
i'm just there wasn't crowdfunding in

2073
01:15:50,310 --> 01:15:48,800
the 50s but i'm sure they would have

2074
01:15:51,830 --> 01:15:50,320
used it if they could

2075
01:15:53,669 --> 01:15:51,840
well you're absolutely right everything

2076
01:15:55,990 --> 01:15:53,679
you're saying i i think the issue we

2077
01:15:58,630 --> 01:15:56,000
have here is we've never seen it this

2078
01:16:00,550 --> 01:15:58,640
big i don't think um

2079
01:16:03,910 --> 01:16:00,560
unless i agree i agree

2080
01:16:06,070 --> 01:16:03,920
i don't think we've a corporate entity

2081
01:16:10,790 --> 01:16:06,080
like there's zero chance adamski raised

2082
01:16:13,510 --> 01:16:12,470
you could choose to just ignore him if

2083
01:16:15,270 --> 01:16:13,520
you wanted to

2084
01:16:18,070 --> 01:16:15,280
there were there was plenty of room and

2085
01:16:20,630 --> 01:16:18,080
space for the other voices uh my beef

2086
01:16:21,910 --> 01:16:20,640
and others i know is that you know to

2087
01:16:23,590 --> 01:16:21,920
the stars and tom delonge are going to

2088
01:16:24,950 --> 01:16:23,600
come in and suck up all the air look at

2089
01:16:26,550 --> 01:16:24,960
it we're spending two hours talking

2090
01:16:29,110 --> 01:16:26,560
about tom de la

2091
01:16:30,950 --> 01:16:29,120
well guys uh before exactly i know but

2092
01:16:32,310 --> 01:16:30,960
at the same time it is very good it's

2093
01:16:34,470 --> 01:16:32,320
very good radio

2094
01:16:37,350 --> 01:16:34,480
and there hasn't been a round table this

2095
01:16:38,390 --> 01:16:37,360
wa this well balanced uh in a very long

2096
01:16:39,830 --> 01:16:38,400
time and i wanted to make sure that it

2097
01:16:42,070 --> 01:16:39,840
could happen with a very wide range of

2098
01:16:43,510 --> 01:16:42,080
voices and one of those voices is that

2099
01:16:45,270 --> 01:16:43,520
guy to be able to end off this subject

2100
01:16:47,189 --> 01:16:45,280
and then that guy i'm going to start

2101
01:16:49,030 --> 01:16:47,199
with that guy

2102
01:16:50,149 --> 01:16:49,040
for the next subject i just love it like

2103
01:16:52,149 --> 01:16:50,159
that guy

2104
01:16:53,590 --> 01:16:52,159
you're awesome

2105
01:16:54,630 --> 01:16:53,600
if you like that

2106
01:16:56,390 --> 01:16:54,640
um

2107
01:16:58,870 --> 01:16:56,400
what was the question again exactly i

2108
01:17:00,229 --> 01:16:58,880
got kind of awkward

2109
01:17:03,270 --> 01:17:00,239
what have you seen

2110
01:17:05,669 --> 01:17:03,280
what what two screams this is a scam

2111
01:17:06,950 --> 01:17:05,679
oh right right um you know what see

2112
01:17:08,790 --> 01:17:06,960
that's the thing about scammers is

2113
01:17:09,510 --> 01:17:08,800
they're they're like an undercover agent

2114
01:17:10,709 --> 01:17:09,520
right

2115
01:17:13,270 --> 01:17:10,719
so it's kind of i think it's kind of

2116
01:17:14,310 --> 01:17:13,280
hard to peg down a specific type of

2117
01:17:19,110 --> 01:17:14,320
person

2118
01:17:20,709 --> 01:17:19,120
is a shield you know like under

2119
01:17:22,070 --> 01:17:20,719
um i know a lot of police officers and

2120
01:17:23,510 --> 01:17:22,080
stuff um

2121
01:17:25,270 --> 01:17:23,520
and the undercover agents when those

2122
01:17:26,470 --> 01:17:25,280
guys are going undercover they look like

2123
01:17:27,990 --> 01:17:26,480
everybody else they have beards they

2124
01:17:29,189 --> 01:17:28,000
look like bikers they look like and

2125
01:17:30,470 --> 01:17:29,199
that's the same the government's the one

2126
01:17:32,229 --> 01:17:30,480
that trains them those are the same

2127
01:17:33,830 --> 01:17:32,239
people that train and pick shills i

2128
01:17:35,030 --> 01:17:33,840
don't think most chills even realize

2129
01:17:36,950 --> 01:17:35,040
they're a shill

2130
01:17:38,630 --> 01:17:36,960
um in this type of thing

2131
01:17:40,709 --> 01:17:38,640
and so i don't know i don't have a

2132
01:17:42,790 --> 01:17:40,719
specific i mean there's not a specific

2133
01:17:43,990 --> 01:17:42,800
type of person or specific behavior

2134
01:17:45,189 --> 01:17:44,000
there's the really obvious ones that

2135
01:17:46,550 --> 01:17:45,199
aren't very good chills that are trying

2136
01:17:48,550 --> 01:17:46,560
to you know snake oil cells when trying

2137
01:17:50,630 --> 01:17:48,560
to get your money they're pretty obvious

2138
01:17:52,870 --> 01:17:50,640
but this tom delong thing is not that

2139
01:17:54,630 --> 01:17:52,880
this if he's a shell he's

2140
01:17:56,550 --> 01:17:54,640
either extremely

2141
01:17:57,830 --> 01:17:56,560
deep but i think one of these podesta or

2142
01:17:58,630 --> 01:17:57,840
somebody approached him because they

2143
01:17:59,910 --> 01:17:58,640
needed

2144
01:18:01,830 --> 01:17:59,920
to

2145
01:18:02,950 --> 01:18:01,840
use this thing yeah they're using them

2146
01:18:05,270 --> 01:18:02,960
and think about it that was part of

2147
01:18:07,270 --> 01:18:05,280
hillary's campaign was to do the ufo

2148
01:18:09,030 --> 01:18:07,280
thing to release everything that's why

2149
01:18:10,470 --> 01:18:09,040
he was in touch with podesta because

2150
01:18:11,830 --> 01:18:10,480
they were going to use him hillary was

2151
01:18:13,990 --> 01:18:11,840
going to use him for her campaign i

2152
01:18:15,430 --> 01:18:14,000
guarantee it and that's where because he

2153
01:18:17,110 --> 01:18:15,440
came out in the podesta emails right he

2154
01:18:18,229 --> 01:18:17,120
was he was mentioned in the podesta

2155
01:18:19,030 --> 01:18:18,239
emails

2156
01:18:20,709 --> 01:18:19,040
um

2157
01:18:23,030 --> 01:18:20,719
and that's when this thing all kind of

2158
01:18:24,630 --> 01:18:23,040
blew up so he was

2159
01:18:26,470 --> 01:18:24,640
they they were already planning on using

2160
01:18:27,990 --> 01:18:26,480
him i and it seems like it just kind of

2161
01:18:29,830 --> 01:18:28,000
got turned and now trump's decided to

2162
01:18:31,830 --> 01:18:29,840
use him for something else or it just

2163
01:18:33,110 --> 01:18:31,840
bought snowballed and they all these

2164
01:18:35,110 --> 01:18:33,120
federal agents were already involved

2165
01:18:36,630 --> 01:18:35,120
with this guy and now they just decided

2166
01:18:37,910 --> 01:18:36,640
well hell we're already here let's just

2167
01:18:39,350 --> 01:18:37,920
keep it going maybe we can make some

2168
01:18:40,870 --> 01:18:39,360
money too they're all part of the

2169
01:18:43,510 --> 01:18:40,880
company they're owners in the company

2170
01:18:46,550 --> 01:18:43,520
right they're stockholders so

2171
01:18:49,270 --> 01:18:46,560
it benefits them so i don't know i i

2172
01:18:51,590 --> 01:18:49,280
i don't know that tom knows he's a shill

2173
01:18:53,110 --> 01:18:51,600
um i think he is uh i think he's being

2174
01:18:54,950 --> 01:18:53,120
fooled but i think everybody around him

2175
01:18:57,350 --> 01:18:54,960
knows he is

2176
01:18:59,110 --> 01:18:57,360
now speaking of uh

2177
01:19:01,110 --> 01:18:59,120
everyone around him now he has many

2178
01:19:02,950 --> 01:19:01,120
people on his team uh this next question

2179
01:19:04,950 --> 01:19:02,960
is not so much regarding his team but

2180
01:19:06,709 --> 01:19:04,960
regarding the team's specialty with

2181
01:19:08,709 --> 01:19:06,719
regards to the tech with what they're

2182
01:19:10,709 --> 01:19:08,719
trying to develop we we have already

2183
01:19:12,070 --> 01:19:10,719
talked about the media and the movies

2184
01:19:14,870 --> 01:19:12,080
that we're probably all going to

2185
01:19:16,149 --> 01:19:14,880
download i think we've agreed on that

2186
01:19:17,990 --> 01:19:16,159
um

2187
01:19:19,669 --> 01:19:18,000
there is also going to be exotic

2188
01:19:21,669 --> 01:19:19,679
technology such as propulsion that

2189
01:19:23,990 --> 01:19:21,679
supposedly is going to be developed in

2190
01:19:25,669 --> 01:19:24,000
addition to

2191
01:19:26,790 --> 01:19:25,679
research into

2192
01:19:28,310 --> 01:19:26,800
paranormal

2193
01:19:30,149 --> 01:19:28,320
phenomena such as

2194
01:19:32,630 --> 01:19:30,159
psychic abilities i think there's an app

2195
01:19:35,030 --> 01:19:32,640
that's going to be developed as well

2196
01:19:37,430 --> 01:19:35,040
to any of the technologies that are

2197
01:19:39,030 --> 01:19:37,440
going to be supposedly developed what do

2198
01:19:41,030 --> 01:19:39,040
you think is the likelihood

2199
01:19:43,030 --> 01:19:41,040
and what they think they're going to

2200
01:19:44,550 --> 01:19:43,040
come out with if if they're going to

2201
01:19:47,030 --> 01:19:44,560
come out with anything and your

2202
01:19:49,270 --> 01:19:47,040
reasoning behind it

2203
01:19:50,630 --> 01:19:49,280
um i don't know that the the one that

2204
01:19:52,950 --> 01:19:50,640
really interested me the most was that

2205
01:19:54,870 --> 01:19:52,960
piece of metal um i

2206
01:19:58,790 --> 01:19:54,880
i understand a little bit the he was

2207
01:20:04,390 --> 01:20:00,790
hello

2208
01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:10,149
i think i may have lost everybody

2209
01:20:13,990 --> 01:20:12,390
uh well i do apologize ladies and gents

2210
01:20:15,270 --> 01:20:14,000
this is

2211
01:20:17,830 --> 01:20:15,280
what happens

2212
01:20:19,270 --> 01:20:17,840
yes oh we are still here okay thank

2213
01:20:21,270 --> 01:20:19,280
goodness i'm not sure if that was my

2214
01:20:22,709 --> 01:20:21,280
internet or if that was you guys but uh

2215
01:20:23,669 --> 01:20:22,719
looks like my connection went down for a

2216
01:20:25,510 --> 01:20:23,679
second

2217
01:20:26,790 --> 01:20:25,520
the deep state is on twitter it pinged

2218
01:20:28,630 --> 01:20:26,800
for a little bit

2219
01:20:32,310 --> 01:20:28,640
nsa goddess

2220
01:20:34,709 --> 01:20:32,320
oh just build a shell

2221
01:20:37,430 --> 01:20:34,719
so i i do apologize before we got uh so

2222
01:20:39,830 --> 01:20:37,440
rudely interrupted there that guy

2223
01:20:41,110 --> 01:20:39,840
um so that that little that little metal

2224
01:20:43,910 --> 01:20:41,120
thing that he was talking about that

2225
01:20:46,310 --> 01:20:43,920
technology really is like that sounds

2226
01:20:47,590 --> 01:20:46,320
incredibly interesting um i didn't quite

2227
01:20:49,750 --> 01:20:47,600
understand what that i'm obviously not

2228
01:20:52,470 --> 01:20:49,760
an engineer and i didn't quite

2229
01:20:55,030 --> 01:20:52,480
understand

2230
01:20:58,630 --> 01:20:55,040
how how that would work or even the

2231
01:20:59,750 --> 01:20:58,640
stuff that he was speaking of but if

2232
01:21:01,110 --> 01:20:59,760
that would be the one that i would hope

2233
01:21:02,470 --> 01:21:01,120
would come out because that's kind of a

2234
01:21:03,830 --> 01:21:02,480
you know the propulsion technology and

2235
01:21:06,310 --> 01:21:03,840
all that stuff

2236
01:21:07,669 --> 01:21:06,320
i think he's referring to art arts parts

2237
01:21:11,990 --> 01:21:07,679
i think uh

2238
01:21:15,990 --> 01:21:14,470
well that's what he says but uh i think

2239
01:21:18,950 --> 01:21:16,000
the actual piece of metal that he's

2240
01:21:21,350 --> 01:21:18,960
referring to was already you know uh

2241
01:21:22,149 --> 01:21:21,360
talked about and examined and looked at

2242
01:21:24,149 --> 01:21:22,159
uh

2243
01:21:26,709 --> 01:21:24,159
on the art bell show back when you know

2244
01:21:29,110 --> 01:21:26,719
he said joe rogan's show it was from

2245
01:21:32,149 --> 01:21:29,120
that yeah right so

2246
01:21:35,110 --> 01:21:32,159
again he's you know presenting old

2247
01:21:37,750 --> 01:21:35,120
information as new yeah

2248
01:21:39,830 --> 01:21:37,760
and and as you know secret but but you

2249
01:21:41,669 --> 01:21:39,840
know this has already been examined it's

2250
01:21:43,510 --> 01:21:41,679
already been

2251
01:21:45,910 --> 01:21:43,520
deemed terrestrial

2252
01:21:47,510 --> 01:21:45,920
uh you know i don't know how he how he

2253
01:21:50,149 --> 01:21:47,520
gets the notion that he can figure out

2254
01:21:52,470 --> 01:21:50,159
it's from another galaxy that that

2255
01:21:55,669 --> 01:21:52,480
sounds ridiculous when if you know

2256
01:21:57,110 --> 01:21:55,679
anything about physics uh but uh

2257
01:21:59,350 --> 01:21:57,120
yeah it's uh

2258
01:22:01,510 --> 01:21:59,360
that's arts parts but he's also making

2259
01:22:03,430 --> 01:22:01,520
claims of you know uh

2260
01:22:05,830 --> 01:22:03,440
i don't know extraterrestrial bodies and

2261
01:22:07,270 --> 01:22:05,840
and things like that you know so

2262
01:22:08,310 --> 01:22:07,280
our original

2263
01:22:11,830 --> 01:22:08,320
yeah

2264
01:22:14,390 --> 01:22:11,840
of hope that anything is actually going

2265
01:22:16,310 --> 01:22:14,400
to come out of this i don't believe um

2266
01:22:17,590 --> 01:22:16,320
i just don't think that he's i think

2267
01:22:19,750 --> 01:22:17,600
there's going to be some really bad

2268
01:22:22,229 --> 01:22:19,760
movies um and maybe a couple of really

2269
01:22:24,550 --> 01:22:22,239
weird songs with weird lyrics

2270
01:22:25,830 --> 01:22:24,560
that's about it i mean i just don't i

2271
01:22:27,270 --> 01:22:25,840
really don't think this is going to come

2272
01:22:28,790 --> 01:22:27,280
to any kind of major fruition i don't

2273
01:22:29,990 --> 01:22:28,800
think we're going to see i think it's

2274
01:22:30,950 --> 01:22:30,000
going to be another richard greer thing

2275
01:22:33,189 --> 01:22:30,960
and he's going to have people out in the

2276
01:22:35,350 --> 01:22:33,199
woods doing funny stuff even

2277
01:22:37,830 --> 01:22:35,360
manifesting little balls that glow i

2278
01:22:40,149 --> 01:22:37,840
think that's pretty much as far as get

2279
01:22:42,310 --> 01:22:40,159
he's gonna get what he wants we're not

2280
01:22:46,470 --> 01:22:42,320
gonna get what we want right

2281
01:22:50,830 --> 01:22:48,390
yeah i i really can't see how you can

2282
01:22:54,229 --> 01:22:50,840
come to that conclusion it's so early

2283
01:22:55,990 --> 01:22:54,239
um because we've been here before yo you

2284
01:22:59,669 --> 01:22:56,000
have not been here exactly where you are

2285
01:23:03,590 --> 01:23:01,590
let me finish wait thank you

2286
01:23:05,830 --> 01:23:03,600
there's three three three i agree with

2287
01:23:07,430 --> 01:23:05,840
you on the three researchers leslie kane

2288
01:23:09,350 --> 01:23:07,440
uh george knapp not george knapp but

2289
01:23:11,830 --> 01:23:09,360
leslie king her article in huffington

2290
01:23:13,510 --> 01:23:11,840
post was definitely not a normal

2291
01:23:14,950 --> 01:23:13,520
investigative reporter piece it was a

2292
01:23:17,430 --> 01:23:14,960
little more

2293
01:23:19,350 --> 01:23:17,440
advocate so i agree with you there but

2294
01:23:20,470 --> 01:23:19,360
uh i think these guys have seen some of

2295
01:23:22,149 --> 01:23:20,480
the videos that are coming out that are

2296
01:23:23,830 --> 01:23:22,159
not the class they're not classified

2297
01:23:25,110 --> 01:23:23,840
anymore and

2298
01:23:26,709 --> 01:23:25,120
so you have to give them the benefit of

2299
01:23:29,189 --> 01:23:26,719
the doubt right there i know as a

2300
01:23:30,470 --> 01:23:29,199
reporter they should try to you know

2301
01:23:31,830 --> 01:23:30,480
hold back a little bit but i think

2302
01:23:34,070 --> 01:23:31,840
they've seen stuff

2303
01:23:35,510 --> 01:23:34,080
um but you guys it's early let's let's

2304
01:23:36,950 --> 01:23:35,520
see what the at least let them release

2305
01:23:38,550 --> 01:23:36,960
the videos

2306
01:23:41,270 --> 01:23:38,560
i don't get i don't get the negativity

2307
01:23:42,950 --> 01:23:41,280
we haven't gone anywhere yet no the team

2308
01:23:44,229 --> 01:23:42,960
has come out two weeks ago and they're

2309
01:23:46,390 --> 01:23:44,239
going to release videos in a couple of

2310
01:23:47,510 --> 01:23:46,400
weeks he said i don't understand well i

2311
01:23:49,430 --> 01:23:47,520
think it's just going to go down the

2312
01:23:51,669 --> 01:23:49,440
tubes and he's going to take people out

2313
01:23:53,990 --> 01:23:51,679
in the woods and it's going to be over

2314
01:23:56,629 --> 01:23:54,000
and it's a waste of time and i don't get

2315
01:23:59,590 --> 01:23:56,639
that well well it's it's years and

2316
01:24:01,430 --> 01:23:59,600
decades of very similar things happening

2317
01:24:02,870 --> 01:24:01,440
guys coming out saying oh we're going to

2318
01:24:05,430 --> 01:24:02,880
do all this we're going to reveal all

2319
01:24:07,430 --> 01:24:05,440
that disclosure and it never happens

2320
01:24:08,709 --> 01:24:07,440
most of the time it turns out to be bs

2321
01:24:11,270 --> 01:24:08,719
so come on i mean if you've been

2322
01:24:13,110 --> 01:24:11,280
following ufos for the last 30 years you

2323
01:24:14,310 --> 01:24:13,120
know why people are negative about it

2324
01:24:16,070 --> 01:24:14,320
but it's

2325
01:24:17,669 --> 01:24:16,080
it's irrelevant what happened in the

2326
01:24:22,229 --> 01:24:17,679
past it doesn't affect what he's gonna

2327
01:24:25,990 --> 01:24:24,310
when was the last time a former lockheed

2328
01:24:27,590 --> 01:24:26,000
guy came out and these guys came out and

2329
01:24:36,550 --> 01:24:27,600
had at a conference like that when did

2330
01:24:40,470 --> 01:24:38,310
for me it's just so early to be saying

2331
01:24:41,510 --> 01:24:40,480
anything like that i don't know again

2332
01:24:43,510 --> 01:24:41,520
gentlemen i would like to be able to

2333
01:24:45,430 --> 01:24:43,520
remind you to please try not to talk

2334
01:24:46,550 --> 01:24:45,440
over one another um again i'm going to

2335
01:24:47,910 --> 01:24:46,560
try to make sure everyone gets their

2336
01:24:49,910 --> 01:24:47,920
point heard and i can understand we're

2337
01:24:51,750 --> 01:24:49,920
very passionate about this i want to

2338
01:24:53,669 --> 01:24:51,760
make sure that we can stay fair balanced

2339
01:24:55,830 --> 01:24:53,679
and that we can be the upstanding men

2340
01:24:57,350 --> 01:24:55,840
that i know you all are and uh we'll

2341
01:24:58,950 --> 01:24:57,360
we'll make sure everyone gets a turn so

2342
01:25:00,870 --> 01:24:58,960
thank thank you very much for for your

2343
01:25:02,229 --> 01:25:00,880
fantastic input so far

2344
01:25:03,990 --> 01:25:02,239
um and

2345
01:25:06,470 --> 01:25:04,000
now that we've got joe uh walter i'll

2346
01:25:09,030 --> 01:25:06,480
give you the the next uh response and

2347
01:25:10,550 --> 01:25:09,040
then i'll go back to darren

2348
01:25:11,430 --> 01:25:10,560
i

2349
01:25:13,110 --> 01:25:11,440
you know

2350
01:25:16,070 --> 01:25:13,120
refresh my memory on the question again

2351
01:25:19,669 --> 01:25:18,070
uh the tech we're still on the shill

2352
01:25:21,990 --> 01:25:19,679
thing no no we're on we're on the the

2353
01:25:27,750 --> 01:25:22,000
technology thing that they're there

2354
01:25:32,229 --> 01:25:29,830
because yeah we've you know we've seen

2355
01:25:34,070 --> 01:25:32,239
the promises before we

2356
01:25:36,229 --> 01:25:34,080
you know the the whole thing when you

2357
01:25:37,910 --> 01:25:36,239
look at it you find out that

2358
01:25:40,550 --> 01:25:37,920
you know this is what they'd like to do

2359
01:25:43,110 --> 01:25:40,560
please give us money we'll we'll build

2360
01:25:45,430 --> 01:25:43,120
this and yeah oh this time we've got

2361
01:25:48,470 --> 01:25:45,440
this former guy from this intel agency

2362
01:25:50,390 --> 01:25:48,480
and that guy from from skunk works and

2363
01:25:53,189 --> 01:25:50,400
you know um

2364
01:25:56,070 --> 01:25:53,199
and it's still just

2365
01:25:58,310 --> 01:25:56,080
it's hollow and yeah the last

2366
01:25:59,590 --> 01:25:58,320
like i said a minute ago the last

2367
01:26:01,750 --> 01:25:59,600
decades

2368
01:26:04,070 --> 01:26:01,760
you know this is why i'm cynical and why

2369
01:26:06,229 --> 01:26:04,080
a lot of people are cynical and it it

2370
01:26:08,070 --> 01:26:06,239
really should come as no surprise and i

2371
01:26:10,390 --> 01:26:08,080
i would love to be proven wrong if if

2372
01:26:13,030 --> 01:26:10,400
they come out and build their thing

2373
01:26:14,709 --> 01:26:13,040
that's this time skipping

2374
01:26:17,350 --> 01:26:14,719
interstellar ship that would be

2375
01:26:19,590 --> 01:26:17,360
fantastic i'm all for that but i don't

2376
01:26:20,709 --> 01:26:19,600
see these guys doing it

2377
01:26:24,390 --> 01:26:20,719
um

2378
01:26:25,990 --> 01:26:24,400
and and certainly not within

2379
01:26:28,709 --> 01:26:26,000
you know the context of what's been

2380
01:26:31,350 --> 01:26:28,719
presented to us yeah i'm cynical because

2381
01:26:32,790 --> 01:26:31,360
once again it's um

2382
01:26:34,149 --> 01:26:32,800
the more things change the more they

2383
01:26:36,390 --> 01:26:34,159
stay the same they've just put a

2384
01:26:38,470 --> 01:26:36,400
different cover on it a different mask

2385
01:26:39,669 --> 01:26:38,480
you know they've they've polished it up

2386
01:26:41,110 --> 01:26:39,679
here and there thrown a couple of

2387
01:26:43,750 --> 01:26:41,120
different spices in that weren't there

2388
01:26:45,270 --> 01:26:43,760
before but it's still the same kind of

2389
01:26:46,709 --> 01:26:45,280
thing you know we've seen that we've

2390
01:26:49,750 --> 01:26:46,719
been talking about

2391
01:26:51,110 --> 01:26:49,760
you know all night so

2392
01:26:52,870 --> 01:26:51,120
you know yeah

2393
01:27:00,390 --> 01:26:52,880
yeah i'm cynical about this

2394
01:27:04,470 --> 01:27:02,550
uh do you the technology that they're

2395
01:27:06,470 --> 01:27:04,480
claiming to be developing or going to be

2396
01:27:08,790 --> 01:27:06,480
developing such as exotic technologies

2397
01:27:09,590 --> 01:27:08,800
for propulsion in addition to

2398
01:27:11,030 --> 01:27:09,600
i think that they're going to be

2399
01:27:11,990 --> 01:27:11,040
developing an app which is supposed to

2400
01:27:15,510 --> 01:27:12,000
be

2401
01:27:20,229 --> 01:27:17,750
or research into psychic abilities

2402
01:27:22,149 --> 01:27:20,239
didn't grier already do that

2403
01:27:25,430 --> 01:27:22,159
well no grier did the app that you can

2404
01:27:28,470 --> 01:27:25,440
use to contact space aliens right um who

2405
01:27:30,070 --> 01:27:28,480
are coming from another dimension

2406
01:27:32,629 --> 01:27:30,080
um

2407
01:27:34,550 --> 01:27:32,639
yeah i don't know what what the [\h__\h] is

2408
01:27:36,310 --> 01:27:34,560
tommed along and these guys gonna do

2409
01:27:38,070 --> 01:27:36,320
with 50 million dollars that they

2410
01:27:41,270 --> 01:27:38,080
couldn't do at lockheed in the last 50

2411
01:27:43,830 --> 01:27:41,280
years with like a couple trillion uh so

2412
01:27:47,510 --> 01:27:43,840
i'm a little skeptical about that

2413
01:27:49,110 --> 01:27:47,520
and uh i don't know i think i think uh

2414
01:27:50,870 --> 01:27:49,120
what name

2415
01:27:51,750 --> 01:27:50,880
what's the dude's name from skunk works

2416
01:27:54,149 --> 01:27:51,760
again

2417
01:27:55,669 --> 01:27:54,159
steve justice

2418
01:28:01,110 --> 01:27:55,679
is that him what about who's the other

2419
01:28:04,550 --> 01:28:02,390
that's right he's the guy who said he

2420
01:28:06,470 --> 01:28:04,560
could take e.t home

2421
01:28:08,870 --> 01:28:06,480
like way back in the day

2422
01:28:10,870 --> 01:28:08,880
that's been rich yeah that's been well

2423
01:28:12,950 --> 01:28:10,880
and and that quote is uh sort of a

2424
01:28:15,270 --> 01:28:12,960
misquote too that actually

2425
01:28:18,390 --> 01:28:15,280
comes from jan harrison so

2426
01:28:20,790 --> 01:28:18,400
you know even that that notion that uh

2427
01:28:22,790 --> 01:28:20,800
yeah look this sort of comes back to you

2428
01:28:25,430 --> 01:28:22,800
know the big elephant question that

2429
01:28:26,950 --> 01:28:25,440
nobody is asking if these intelligence

2430
01:28:29,510 --> 01:28:26,960
guys

2431
01:28:31,110 --> 01:28:29,520
have crash flying saucers and aliens

2432
01:28:32,470 --> 01:28:31,120
and they already have this technology

2433
01:28:35,350 --> 01:28:32,480
and they've been flying around with it

2434
01:28:37,350 --> 01:28:35,360
then what is this whole project about

2435
01:28:39,590 --> 01:28:37,360
are are they are they leaking

2436
01:28:41,590 --> 01:28:39,600
information that already exists you know

2437
01:28:43,030 --> 01:28:41,600
through a sort of

2438
01:28:44,229 --> 01:28:43,040
you know like a

2439
01:28:45,830 --> 01:28:44,239
a

2440
01:28:47,270 --> 01:28:45,840
colonel corso sort of thing where

2441
01:28:49,669 --> 01:28:47,280
they're trying to you know put this

2442
01:28:50,870 --> 01:28:49,679
technology out there through this

2443
01:28:52,390 --> 01:28:50,880
mechanism

2444
01:28:54,950 --> 01:28:52,400
uh or

2445
01:28:57,510 --> 01:28:54,960
is uh roswell a bunch of [\h__\h] is a

2446
01:28:59,750 --> 01:28:57,520
conspiracy that you know an alien crash

2447
01:29:02,229 --> 01:28:59,760
conspiracy that that has sort of a

2448
01:29:04,709 --> 01:29:02,239
dominated ufology in the past

2449
01:29:07,110 --> 01:29:04,719
uh 30 years is that all a bunch of crap

2450
01:29:09,350 --> 01:29:07,120
you know so it's sort of a

2451
01:29:11,750 --> 01:29:09,360
there's a cognitive dissonance and a

2452
01:29:13,830 --> 01:29:11,760
sort of a schizophrenic aspect to

2453
01:29:14,950 --> 01:29:13,840
ufology right now with regards to this

2454
01:29:16,870 --> 01:29:14,960
because

2455
01:29:19,110 --> 01:29:16,880
you know you have your conspiracy theory

2456
01:29:20,709 --> 01:29:19,120
people embracing the intelligence

2457
01:29:22,470 --> 01:29:20,719
community hoping that they're going to

2458
01:29:24,470 --> 01:29:22,480
get something that

2459
01:29:26,070 --> 01:29:24,480
you know is tangible in the form of a

2460
01:29:28,790 --> 01:29:26,080
flying saucer but they're not going to

2461
01:29:30,390 --> 01:29:28,800
get any sort of disclosure like they

2462
01:29:32,149 --> 01:29:30,400
would want they're going to get little

2463
01:29:33,990 --> 01:29:32,159
bits of disclosure which

2464
01:29:36,629 --> 01:29:34,000
you know is questionable considering the

2465
01:29:38,470 --> 01:29:36,639
background of all the people that that

2466
01:29:40,550 --> 01:29:38,480
were at that press conference all of

2467
01:29:43,189 --> 01:29:40,560
those people are connected to

2468
01:29:44,470 --> 01:29:43,199
the cia in one form or another

2469
01:29:47,189 --> 01:29:44,480
skunk works

2470
01:29:49,350 --> 01:29:47,199
uh stanford uh research institute

2471
01:29:50,870 --> 01:29:49,360
uh elizondo uh

2472
01:29:52,470 --> 01:29:50,880
some event all these guys are

2473
01:29:54,070 --> 01:29:52,480
intelligence operatives

2474
01:29:56,149 --> 01:29:54,080
and uh

2475
01:29:58,070 --> 01:29:56,159
you know and they haven't really been a

2476
01:30:00,709 --> 01:29:58,080
part of the ufo community how put off

2477
01:30:02,550 --> 01:30:00,719
has been part of the ufo community but

2478
01:30:04,870 --> 01:30:02,560
he's also been a part of

2479
01:30:07,030 --> 01:30:04,880
you know traditionally a lot of these uh

2480
01:30:09,030 --> 01:30:07,040
strange projects that have come out of

2481
01:30:11,830 --> 01:30:09,040
uh of stanford you know some of these

2482
01:30:14,310 --> 01:30:11,840
projects related to like mk ultra

2483
01:30:16,310 --> 01:30:14,320
you know so uh it it's

2484
01:30:19,750 --> 01:30:16,320
there you know there's the

2485
01:30:21,830 --> 01:30:19,760
the conspiracy uh aspect you know within

2486
01:30:23,830 --> 01:30:21,840
ufology that is that is trying to

2487
01:30:27,030 --> 01:30:23,840
comprehend what the hell is going on

2488
01:30:29,350 --> 01:30:27,040
with all this can these guys be trusted

2489
01:30:31,669 --> 01:30:29,360
uh are we getting disclosure are we

2490
01:30:34,709 --> 01:30:31,679
getting confirmation is it a slow drip

2491
01:30:37,350 --> 01:30:34,719
are we are we gonna see things uh that

2492
01:30:38,709 --> 01:30:37,360
is that are disinformation uh but

2493
01:30:40,470 --> 01:30:38,719
ultimately are we gonna get some

2494
01:30:43,350 --> 01:30:40,480
technology uh

2495
01:30:45,750 --> 01:30:43,360
is anti-gravity technology a viable sort

2496
01:30:48,470 --> 01:30:45,760
of thing sure it is and it's worthy of

2497
01:30:50,709 --> 01:30:48,480
investigation that's worthy of study uh

2498
01:30:52,070 --> 01:30:50,719
i don't think i think this organization

2499
01:30:55,030 --> 01:30:52,080
under

2500
01:30:55,830 --> 01:30:55,040
its current organization really has

2501
01:30:57,750 --> 01:30:55,840
uh

2502
01:30:59,270 --> 01:30:57,760
you know the capacity to do that they

2503
01:31:01,669 --> 01:30:59,280
certainly have

2504
01:31:04,229 --> 01:31:01,679
some people that uh

2505
01:31:05,990 --> 01:31:04,239
that they can tap that have credentials

2506
01:31:08,550 --> 01:31:06,000
but uh

2507
01:31:11,030 --> 01:31:08,560
i don't know i i'm curious how as to how

2508
01:31:12,870 --> 01:31:11,040
this washes with uh you know whether or

2509
01:31:15,430 --> 01:31:12,880
not the the government

2510
01:31:16,550 --> 01:31:15,440
knows what's going on

2511
01:31:19,189 --> 01:31:16,560
you know michael you bring up a good

2512
01:31:21,830 --> 01:31:19,199
point just real quick brief um

2513
01:31:24,310 --> 01:31:21,840
all these years people have distrusted

2514
01:31:27,110 --> 01:31:24,320
anything and anyone to do with cia where

2515
01:31:28,950 --> 01:31:27,120
the ufology and this field is concerned

2516
01:31:30,390 --> 01:31:28,960
now all of a sudden all these

2517
01:31:31,830 --> 01:31:30,400
guys are okay

2518
01:31:34,950 --> 01:31:31,840
with a bunch of people who want to

2519
01:31:37,669 --> 01:31:34,960
embrace tom delonge oh he's oh he's got

2520
01:31:38,870 --> 01:31:37,679
this cia guy and that cia guy whereas up

2521
01:31:40,070 --> 01:31:38,880
until now

2522
01:31:42,550 --> 01:31:40,080
you know

2523
01:31:44,709 --> 01:31:42,560
cia was oh my god they're just info guys

2524
01:31:46,390 --> 01:31:44,719
they're evil men in black so

2525
01:31:48,390 --> 01:31:46,400
you know i to me i think that's a little

2526
01:31:50,070 --> 01:31:48,400
bit of true believerism you know they

2527
01:31:55,270 --> 01:31:50,080
want to have faith so much that now

2528
01:31:59,669 --> 01:31:57,430
especially when you look at the cia and

2529
01:32:02,070 --> 01:31:59,679
laurel canyon and the roots of the whole

2530
01:32:03,750 --> 01:32:02,080
like music movement of the 60s like

2531
01:32:05,510 --> 01:32:03,760
who's to say that that didn't continue

2532
01:32:08,470 --> 01:32:05,520
into the 90s with

2533
01:32:10,550 --> 01:32:08,480
the long and blink 182 and here all

2534
01:32:11,830 --> 01:32:10,560
these other shitty alternative bands i

2535
01:32:14,709 --> 01:32:11,840
mean what other what else could they be

2536
01:32:16,470 --> 01:32:14,719
with cia i mean

2537
01:32:18,470 --> 01:32:16,480
i was going to say you know what what

2538
01:32:21,510 --> 01:32:18,480
concerns me

2539
01:32:23,430 --> 01:32:21,520
interrupt

2540
01:32:27,110 --> 01:32:23,440
is the point i i don't want to miss here

2541
01:32:29,510 --> 01:32:27,120
what concerns me uh intelligence wise is

2542
01:32:32,229 --> 01:32:29,520
uh what chris has mentioned as far as

2543
01:32:34,550 --> 01:32:32,239
producing some sort of app

2544
01:32:36,470 --> 01:32:34,560
which you can get on your phone that

2545
01:32:38,470 --> 01:32:36,480
pretty much makes you what a government

2546
01:32:41,110 --> 01:32:38,480
spot or you can

2547
01:32:42,629 --> 01:32:41,120
you know send your uh siding report

2548
01:32:45,830 --> 01:32:42,639
directly to these intelligence

2549
01:32:48,149 --> 01:32:45,840
operatives and you become sort of a mini

2550
01:32:50,950 --> 01:32:48,159
government camera for you know these uh

2551
01:32:52,390 --> 01:32:50,960
strange things flying around you know uh

2552
01:32:55,430 --> 01:32:52,400
that's sort of weird that's sort of

2553
01:32:57,590 --> 01:32:55,440
creepy i think that technology is a good

2554
01:32:59,510 --> 01:32:57,600
sort of thing but it's not coming from

2555
01:33:01,830 --> 01:32:59,520
the ufo community it's coming from these

2556
01:33:03,510 --> 01:33:01,840
intelligence guys okay well i believe

2557
01:33:05,030 --> 01:33:03,520
that wikileaks when they're talking

2558
01:33:06,709 --> 01:33:05,040
about um

2559
01:33:08,470 --> 01:33:06,719
the other stuff then we have to assume

2560
01:33:10,470 --> 01:33:08,480
that they're being truthful when the cia

2561
01:33:12,950 --> 01:33:10,480
says that all our foods are [\h__\h]

2562
01:33:14,629 --> 01:33:12,960
spying on us anyway

2563
01:33:17,270 --> 01:33:14,639
and uh

2564
01:33:19,510 --> 01:33:17,280
two i'm going to go uh richard joseph

2565
01:33:21,030 --> 01:33:19,520
and then uh mj for the end of this

2566
01:33:22,390 --> 01:33:21,040
questioning so if you want to be able to

2567
01:33:24,390 --> 01:33:22,400
follow off on that richard and then give

2568
01:33:25,750 --> 01:33:24,400
your point

2569
01:33:29,030 --> 01:33:25,760
well i mean

2570
01:33:30,870 --> 01:33:29,040
i understand how you know earlier

2571
01:33:32,629 --> 01:33:30,880
uh the one guy is like well how do you

2572
01:33:35,030 --> 01:33:32,639
know you know maybe he will be the guy

2573
01:33:37,990 --> 01:33:35,040
who's gonna come out and

2574
01:33:39,669 --> 01:33:38,000
have disclosure for us well you know

2575
01:33:41,590 --> 01:33:39,679
in the last 20 years that i've been

2576
01:33:43,510 --> 01:33:41,600
following you followed you closely in 14

2577
01:33:44,709 --> 01:33:43,520
years of investigating down on the

2578
01:33:46,950 --> 01:33:44,719
ground

2579
01:33:48,629 --> 01:33:46,960
it's just something that i've heard time

2580
01:33:50,950 --> 01:33:48,639
and time again every year it's just

2581
01:33:53,189 --> 01:33:50,960
something new and promises that of

2582
01:33:55,430 --> 01:33:53,199
disclosure so i understand you know

2583
01:33:56,709 --> 01:33:55,440
walter why he said what he said because

2584
01:33:57,590 --> 01:33:56,719
it's the same thing wrapped in a

2585
01:33:59,510 --> 01:33:57,600
different

2586
01:34:01,910 --> 01:33:59,520
box i mean it's all the same stuff we've

2587
01:34:03,830 --> 01:34:01,920
been hearing all these years so yeah uh

2588
01:34:06,149 --> 01:34:03,840
we're gonna be a lot a little skeptical

2589
01:34:07,830 --> 01:34:06,159
cynical and all that other stuff it's

2590
01:34:09,750 --> 01:34:07,840
just

2591
01:34:11,910 --> 01:34:09,760
we're tired of it we're tired of it i

2592
01:34:14,070 --> 01:34:11,920
mean we're we're at our wits end trying

2593
01:34:16,310 --> 01:34:14,080
to get real evidence out there and

2594
01:34:19,350 --> 01:34:16,320
then this comes along and this is just

2595
01:34:21,430 --> 01:34:19,360
going to water down ufology again and

2596
01:34:23,990 --> 01:34:21,440
maybe that is what

2597
01:34:25,990 --> 01:34:24,000
you know the cia wants to do who knows

2598
01:34:27,990 --> 01:34:26,000
maybe we're getting close

2599
01:34:30,390 --> 01:34:28,000
maybe we are seeing things that we don't

2600
01:34:32,310 --> 01:34:30,400
realize are true alien being crafts or

2601
01:34:33,590 --> 01:34:32,320
alien beings and crafts

2602
01:34:36,070 --> 01:34:33,600
who knows

2603
01:34:37,590 --> 01:34:36,080
i think the people like myself who go

2604
01:34:39,669 --> 01:34:37,600
out there and have the real stuff and

2605
01:34:41,430 --> 01:34:39,679
they put it up on youtube we are the

2606
01:34:44,790 --> 01:34:41,440
eyes and ears for the government we are

2607
01:34:46,950 --> 01:34:44,800
doing their work so to say that we need

2608
01:34:48,070 --> 01:34:46,960
him to do that no we don't need tom

2609
01:34:50,390 --> 01:34:48,080
dewong

2610
01:34:53,030 --> 01:34:50,400
because i like to call him tom deshong

2611
01:34:55,270 --> 01:34:53,040
but i think just i'm sorry i don't like

2612
01:34:57,830 --> 01:34:55,280
the guy that much

2613
01:34:59,830 --> 01:34:57,840
i just seen this guy many times before

2614
01:35:01,910 --> 01:34:59,840
and it's over and over again and

2615
01:35:03,590 --> 01:35:01,920
promises aren't going to be kept and

2616
01:35:05,590 --> 01:35:03,600
then you know again next year we're

2617
01:35:07,910 --> 01:35:05,600
going to say when we do this round table

2618
01:35:10,229 --> 01:35:07,920
again how horrible this all was and how

2619
01:35:11,990 --> 01:35:10,239
we were all right and how we called the

2620
01:35:13,350 --> 01:35:12,000
shots and said yeah this is what's going

2621
01:35:15,669 --> 01:35:13,360
to happen and

2622
01:35:16,709 --> 01:35:15,679
he's gonna go broke and no no die of

2623
01:35:20,229 --> 01:35:16,719
heroin

2624
01:35:21,830 --> 01:35:20,239
i'm just kidding but i i just feel

2625
01:35:24,470 --> 01:35:21,840
it's the same thing in a different

2626
01:35:26,070 --> 01:35:24,480
president that's all

2627
01:35:27,669 --> 01:35:26,080
and uh to

2628
01:35:29,510 --> 01:35:27,679
joseph

2629
01:35:31,590 --> 01:35:29,520
yeah i'll have to agree with rich but

2630
01:35:33,910 --> 01:35:31,600
the the whole thing about being uh

2631
01:35:35,990 --> 01:35:33,920
pessimist and not positive and it's too

2632
01:35:37,910 --> 01:35:36,000
early and stuff like that

2633
01:35:39,990 --> 01:35:37,920
you know i'm from the south and i can

2634
01:35:42,709 --> 01:35:40,000
tell you one thing we don't learn

2635
01:35:45,189 --> 01:35:42,719
enough from our past we have to take our

2636
01:35:46,870 --> 01:35:45,199
past experiences as our truth it's the

2637
01:35:49,510 --> 01:35:46,880
only thing that we know

2638
01:35:52,149 --> 01:35:49,520
as our truth so that's why we base this

2639
01:35:54,149 --> 01:35:52,159
stuff that way and secondly

2640
01:35:56,629 --> 01:35:54,159
everything that we're talking about you

2641
01:35:58,229 --> 01:35:56,639
know the propulsion system bob lazara

2642
01:36:00,629 --> 01:35:58,239
has already talked about all of this

2643
01:36:02,229 --> 01:36:00,639
stuff uh the the metal right that you're

2644
01:36:04,470 --> 01:36:02,239
talking about larry seek handers going

2645
01:36:06,390 --> 01:36:04,480
around to every single ufo conference

2646
01:36:08,870 --> 01:36:06,400
there is and showing a piece of metal

2647
01:36:11,350 --> 01:36:08,880
that not one metal urges can explain not

2648
01:36:13,830 --> 01:36:11,360
one of them nobody's talking about that

2649
01:36:15,110 --> 01:36:13,840
as far as the uh consciousness studies

2650
01:36:16,790 --> 01:36:15,120
go

2651
01:36:18,629 --> 01:36:16,800
you don't need an app

2652
01:36:20,629 --> 01:36:18,639
when it comes to astral travel remote

2653
01:36:23,750 --> 01:36:20,639
viewing there's tons of books and tons

2654
01:36:25,910 --> 01:36:23,760
of material on it and yes it's real so

2655
01:36:27,990 --> 01:36:25,920
the only difference in this whole thing

2656
01:36:29,350 --> 01:36:28,000
is the government dude standing behind

2657
01:36:31,189 --> 01:36:29,360
tom delonge

2658
01:36:32,629 --> 01:36:31,199
that's the only it's the variable in

2659
01:36:35,030 --> 01:36:32,639
this whole equation and now you're

2660
01:36:36,870 --> 01:36:35,040
asking me to trust them now when i like

2661
01:36:38,790 --> 01:36:36,880
walter said when i've never trust what

2662
01:36:41,030 --> 01:36:38,800
they've said before because you can't

2663
01:36:43,750 --> 01:36:41,040
because this info is their power

2664
01:36:46,149 --> 01:36:43,760
you can't trust them so to me this whole

2665
01:36:49,189 --> 01:36:46,159
thing is just the shamwow

2666
01:36:50,310 --> 01:36:49,199
commercial of mythology is what it is

2667
01:36:51,750 --> 01:36:50,320
you know

2668
01:36:53,830 --> 01:36:51,760
now the next question is is that who's

2669
01:36:55,590 --> 01:36:53,840
going to be the one who is caught in the

2670
01:36:57,590 --> 01:36:55,600
bushes trying to hire a transvestite

2671
01:37:01,270 --> 01:36:57,600
hooker because i think that happened to

2672
01:37:02,790 --> 01:37:01,280
vince who actually sold shamwows

2673
01:37:13,830 --> 01:37:02,800
uh and

2674
01:37:18,830 --> 01:37:15,910
mj go go ahead

2675
01:37:21,350 --> 01:37:18,840
regarding technology and psychic

2676
01:37:22,790 --> 01:37:21,360
apps yeah

2677
01:37:23,830 --> 01:37:22,800
you know

2678
01:37:25,510 --> 01:37:23,840
i don't know

2679
01:37:27,510 --> 01:37:25,520
this is not really my strong suit here

2680
01:37:30,310 --> 01:37:27,520
when it comes to sort of knowledge in

2681
01:37:34,470 --> 01:37:30,320
regards to the ufo question i i

2682
01:37:38,629 --> 01:37:36,550
it's a fundamental sort of leap in logic

2683
01:37:40,950 --> 01:37:38,639
here to assume that

2684
01:37:42,070 --> 01:37:40,960
that this group of people is going to

2685
01:37:43,270 --> 01:37:42,080
build

2686
01:37:44,550 --> 01:37:43,280
um like

2687
01:37:46,229 --> 01:37:44,560
a starship

2688
01:37:47,030 --> 01:37:46,239
that can travel through space and time

2689
01:37:51,430 --> 01:37:47,040
like

2690
01:37:53,510 --> 01:37:51,440
ridiculous right it just it just sounds

2691
01:37:55,510 --> 01:37:53,520
wrong and and i don't wanna i'm not the

2692
01:37:56,870 --> 01:37:55,520
guy who was gonna say you know we should

2693
01:37:59,030 --> 01:37:56,880
go with common sense or consensus

2694
01:38:01,590 --> 01:37:59,040
reality or whatever like

2695
01:38:03,270 --> 01:38:01,600
i mean i just i just don't know like

2696
01:38:05,910 --> 01:38:03,280
i i'm gonna pat can i pass on i'm gonna

2697
01:38:07,270 --> 01:38:05,920
pass i'm just guessing uh and that's i

2698
01:38:09,990 --> 01:38:07,280
just wanna be able to make one comment

2699
01:38:12,310 --> 01:38:10,000
to uh two i believe it was daryl and

2700
01:38:13,990 --> 01:38:12,320
chad daryl i was like tom is a mason too

2701
01:38:15,430 --> 01:38:14,000
nobody's mentioning that masons are

2702
01:38:16,390 --> 01:38:15,440
sneaky dudes

2703
01:38:18,310 --> 01:38:16,400
so guys

2704
01:38:19,430 --> 01:38:18,320
apparently i'm a sneaky dude

2705
01:38:21,270 --> 01:38:19,440
just

2706
01:38:23,910 --> 01:38:21,280
put putting that out there

2707
01:38:25,990 --> 01:38:23,920
so yeah you know um i'll let you guys in

2708
01:38:27,350 --> 01:38:26,000
for the next secret tomorrow saturday

2709
01:38:29,510 --> 01:38:27,360
it's the first saturday of the month

2710
01:38:32,470 --> 01:38:29,520
it's our virgin sacrifice pancake

2711
01:38:36,070 --> 01:38:34,229
so if you guys want one in on that we'll

2712
01:38:37,750 --> 01:38:36,080
we'll help you take over the world and

2713
01:38:38,629 --> 01:38:37,760
then we'll eat some pancakes

2714
01:38:39,990 --> 01:38:38,639
um

2715
01:38:42,149 --> 01:38:40,000
okay so you're passing on this one i can

2716
01:38:45,109 --> 01:38:42,159
understand so gents we're about like 15

2717
01:38:46,950 --> 01:38:45,119
minutes in uh darren had to step out the

2718
01:38:48,870 --> 01:38:46,960
the back door

2719
01:38:51,430 --> 01:38:48,880
it's uh they've got a very bad snowstorm

2720
01:38:53,990 --> 01:38:51,440
going through uh his town out in alberta

2721
01:38:55,189 --> 01:38:54,000
so i'm hoping that you stay safe buddy

2722
01:38:58,149 --> 01:38:55,199
and again thank you very much for

2723
01:39:01,590 --> 01:38:58,159
helping us out and joining the panel um

2724
01:39:03,350 --> 01:39:01,600
coming to the last segment of the show

2725
01:39:05,910 --> 01:39:03,360
um i'm going to

2726
01:39:07,990 --> 01:39:05,920
put it to the floor for two rounds

2727
01:39:09,189 --> 01:39:08,000
and i'm going to get your just general

2728
01:39:11,030 --> 01:39:09,199
opinion on

2729
01:39:13,270 --> 01:39:11,040
tom delong ufos and anything else that

2730
01:39:15,109 --> 01:39:13,280
we have not mentioned yet and i just

2731
01:39:17,109 --> 01:39:15,119
want you to be able to go nuts and i'll

2732
01:39:19,590 --> 01:39:17,119
give you as much uh much time as you

2733
01:39:21,189 --> 01:39:19,600
want so mj i'm going to start with you

2734
01:39:22,149 --> 01:39:21,199
sure so

2735
01:39:23,270 --> 01:39:22,159
right now

2736
01:39:24,229 --> 01:39:23,280
we've kind of danced around this issue

2737
01:39:25,270 --> 01:39:24,239
and i want to i want to do i want to

2738
01:39:26,629 --> 01:39:25,280
touch on it

2739
01:39:29,510 --> 01:39:26,639
tom delong's

2740
01:39:31,590 --> 01:39:29,520
sort of purpose here i suppose is is a

2741
01:39:34,149 --> 01:39:31,600
continued push of um the

2742
01:39:37,270 --> 01:39:34,159
extraterrestrial hypothesis in the ufo

2743
01:39:39,910 --> 01:39:37,280
question so he totally disregards all

2744
01:39:41,270 --> 01:39:39,920
other you know potential hypotheses and

2745
01:39:44,149 --> 01:39:41,280
theories in regards to the source of

2746
01:39:46,149 --> 01:39:44,159
ufos um and in my personal investigative

2747
01:39:48,790 --> 01:39:46,159
work with mufon as well as just sort of

2748
01:39:50,390 --> 01:39:48,800
uh reading and research um you know the

2749
01:39:53,350 --> 01:39:50,400
ufo or sorry the extraterrestrial

2750
01:39:55,669 --> 01:39:53,360
hypothesis doesn't necessarily

2751
01:39:57,270 --> 01:39:55,679
answer or doesn't actually provide sort

2752
01:39:59,189 --> 01:39:57,280
of the

2753
01:40:01,830 --> 01:39:59,199
the full picture of what the ufo

2754
01:40:03,109 --> 01:40:01,840
phenomenon is so i want to kind of go to

2755
01:40:04,950 --> 01:40:03,119
the panel here a little bit and i want

2756
01:40:06,950 --> 01:40:04,960
to maybe ask you know what is your

2757
01:40:08,870 --> 01:40:06,960
opinion in regards to extraterrestrial

2758
01:40:11,350 --> 01:40:08,880
hypothesis in regards to other

2759
01:40:14,149 --> 01:40:11,360
hypotheses for the ufo phenomenon and is

2760
01:40:15,510 --> 01:40:14,159
tom delong just kind of pushing um

2761
01:40:19,510 --> 01:40:15,520
you know the same old same old

2762
01:40:22,070 --> 01:40:19,520
mainstream kind of ufological nonsense

2763
01:40:25,270 --> 01:40:22,080
disgust

2764
01:40:27,830 --> 01:40:25,280
okay i'll i'll go first um as [\h__\h] my my

2765
01:40:30,550 --> 01:40:27,840
stance on ufos um they to me they seem

2766
01:40:32,709 --> 01:40:30,560
to be kind of multifaceted um i think

2767
01:40:34,950 --> 01:40:32,719
that what we see

2768
01:40:36,790 --> 01:40:34,960
like the cse um

2769
01:40:40,390 --> 01:40:36,800
camps and stuff that they do

2770
01:40:42,950 --> 01:40:40,400
uh i'm christian um and we but i'm kind

2771
01:40:44,550 --> 01:40:42,960
of an out there christian and um most

2772
01:40:47,350 --> 01:40:44,560
other christians don't agree with my

2773
01:40:48,870 --> 01:40:47,360
beliefs um but some of the churches even

2774
01:40:51,669 --> 01:40:48,880
that i've been to we've actually caused

2775
01:40:53,510 --> 01:40:51,679
stuff to manifest you can you see things

2776
01:40:55,430 --> 01:40:53,520
the spots the flashes all that kind of

2777
01:40:56,709 --> 01:40:55,440
stuff we've actually seen that in church

2778
01:40:58,629 --> 01:40:56,719
um

2779
01:41:00,870 --> 01:40:58,639
i know of other organizations that do

2780
01:41:02,950 --> 01:41:00,880
that other types of groups so the

2781
01:41:04,310 --> 01:41:02,960
seaside stuff the flash bulbs i'm pretty

2782
01:41:05,830 --> 01:41:04,320
sure that's some kind of manifestation

2783
01:41:07,430 --> 01:41:05,840
that our minds actually cause i'm not

2784
01:41:08,870 --> 01:41:07,440
exactly sure how that works and that

2785
01:41:10,229 --> 01:41:08,880
seems to be the main thing they see as

2786
01:41:12,229 --> 01:41:10,239
flash bulbs

2787
01:41:15,189 --> 01:41:12,239
they have to get rid of all fear which

2788
01:41:17,350 --> 01:41:15,199
fear kind of mutes your

2789
01:41:20,149 --> 01:41:17,360
ability to manifest things so there's no

2790
01:41:22,070 --> 01:41:20,159
fear allowed they figured that out um

2791
01:41:23,669 --> 01:41:22,080
and i think that stephen greer knows

2792
01:41:25,430 --> 01:41:23,679
what he's doing i don't think that he

2793
01:41:27,189 --> 01:41:25,440
believes he's he's actually calling down

2794
01:41:29,350 --> 01:41:27,199
ufos when he's doing that i think he

2795
01:41:31,510 --> 01:41:29,360
understands that he's actually affecting

2796
01:41:33,270 --> 01:41:31,520
something in the spiritual realm but i

2797
01:41:34,229 --> 01:41:33,280
also believe because you see there's too

2798
01:41:37,510 --> 01:41:34,239
many

2799
01:41:40,950 --> 01:41:39,910
sorry who whose camera is that coming

2800
01:41:44,629 --> 01:41:40,960
from

2801
01:41:46,870 --> 01:41:44,639
uh it looks like joe murgia

2802
01:41:47,990 --> 01:41:46,880
joe is that yours

2803
01:41:49,910 --> 01:41:48,000
what are you looking

2804
01:41:51,430 --> 01:41:49,920
what are you seeing i'm hearing somebody

2805
01:41:53,109 --> 01:41:51,440
making uh looks like a martini in the

2806
01:41:54,550 --> 01:41:53,119
background or hearing a martini being

2807
01:41:56,629 --> 01:41:54,560
made in the background i'm on a couch

2808
01:41:58,830 --> 01:41:56,639
there's no martini here okay am i eating

2809
01:42:01,030 --> 01:41:58,840
a body sounds

2810
01:42:02,470 --> 01:42:01,040
like give me a second

2811
01:42:04,070 --> 01:42:02,480
i'll mute tell me if it goes away if i

2812
01:42:06,070 --> 01:42:04,080
mute

2813
01:42:08,070 --> 01:42:06,080
went away already

2814
01:42:09,109 --> 01:42:08,080
now they already muted it wasn't you

2815
01:42:10,550 --> 01:42:09,119
okay

2816
01:42:13,189 --> 01:42:10,560
all right

2817
01:42:17,030 --> 01:42:13,199
so i also think i do believe on life in

2818
01:42:18,629 --> 01:42:17,040
life on other planets um i don't think

2819
01:42:20,470 --> 01:42:18,639
it's and so i think there's a little bit

2820
01:42:22,790 --> 01:42:20,480
of that but i also believe part of it is

2821
01:42:25,510 --> 01:42:22,800
is a sacred space program type of stuff

2822
01:42:28,709 --> 01:42:25,520
or secret aircraft um i definitely know

2823
01:42:29,750 --> 01:42:28,719
that the government has um

2824
01:42:31,510 --> 01:42:29,760
aircraft and stuff that we don't know

2825
01:42:33,430 --> 01:42:31,520
about like the aurora we know a little

2826
01:42:35,030 --> 01:42:33,440
bit about aurora we know it exists but

2827
01:42:36,950 --> 01:42:35,040
we don't know anything about it it i

2828
01:42:38,550 --> 01:42:36,960
know that it leaves the crazy huge weird

2829
01:42:40,870 --> 01:42:38,560
trails behind it little circles like

2830
01:42:42,709 --> 01:42:40,880
donuts instead of a normal chemtrail or

2831
01:42:43,910 --> 01:42:42,719
contrail or whatever you want to call it

2832
01:42:45,590 --> 01:42:43,920
um

2833
01:42:47,109 --> 01:42:45,600
but i also do like i said i do believe

2834
01:42:49,750 --> 01:42:47,119
that people have visited here from other

2835
01:42:51,830 --> 01:42:49,760
places um so i think it's i think it's a

2836
01:42:53,669 --> 01:42:51,840
mix of all three that we see i don't

2837
01:42:54,950 --> 01:42:53,679
think that i have a hard time with the

2838
01:42:57,270 --> 01:42:54,960
flash bulbs and stuff i don't think that

2839
01:42:58,310 --> 01:42:57,280
has anything to do with ufos um i think

2840
01:43:00,149 --> 01:42:58,320
a lot of the stuff that we see in the

2841
01:43:02,310 --> 01:43:00,159
sky is actually

2842
01:43:04,550 --> 01:43:02,320
government um but i also believe that

2843
01:43:06,709 --> 01:43:04,560
there has been visitors here from other

2844
01:43:08,870 --> 01:43:06,719
places as well so i think we've got a

2845
01:43:10,390 --> 01:43:08,880
mix mismatch or mishmash of all that

2846
01:43:11,830 --> 01:43:10,400
stuff going on and people put it

2847
01:43:13,270 --> 01:43:11,840
together in one ball and it makes it

2848
01:43:15,189 --> 01:43:13,280
really confusing

2849
01:43:17,350 --> 01:43:15,199
but it's also incredibly convenient you

2850
01:43:18,950 --> 01:43:17,360
know that wow look at this is attached

2851
01:43:20,709 --> 01:43:18,960
to this i think there's a lot of

2852
01:43:22,390 --> 01:43:20,719
confirmation bias in the ufo world just

2853
01:43:25,189 --> 01:43:22,400
like there isn't all the religious you

2854
01:43:27,109 --> 01:43:25,199
know stuff and everywhere else but i do

2855
01:43:29,150 --> 01:43:27,119
believe there's definitely life on other

2856
01:43:30,629 --> 01:43:29,160
planets that have visited here um

2857
01:43:32,390 --> 01:43:30,639
[Music]

2858
01:43:34,070 --> 01:43:32,400
i just don't think that everything we

2859
01:43:35,109 --> 01:43:34,080
attribute to them belongs to them i

2860
01:43:39,590 --> 01:43:35,119
guess

2861
01:43:43,990 --> 01:43:41,590
oh you're asking me

2862
01:43:46,550 --> 01:43:44,000
what's that go ahead

2863
01:43:47,510 --> 01:43:46,560
no i i mean you're just basically asking

2864
01:43:49,669 --> 01:43:47,520
us

2865
01:43:51,590 --> 01:43:49,679
about delong right what our feelings are

2866
01:43:53,590 --> 01:43:51,600
and what our beliefs are in that right

2867
01:43:55,590 --> 01:43:53,600
was that the question

2868
01:43:57,910 --> 01:43:55,600
mj but was it uh more of a general

2869
01:44:00,390 --> 01:43:57,920
question towards ufos and aliens and

2870
01:44:02,870 --> 01:44:00,400
thoughts towards uh de long and or what

2871
01:44:04,870 --> 01:44:02,880
was yeah the question just in regards to

2872
01:44:08,390 --> 01:44:04,880
you know de long is just kind of pushing

2873
01:44:10,550 --> 01:44:08,400
the extraterrestrial hypothesis and a

2874
01:44:12,390 --> 01:44:10,560
lot of investigators and a lot of work

2875
01:44:14,470 --> 01:44:12,400
and research would kind of say

2876
01:44:15,669 --> 01:44:14,480
you know this might be

2877
01:44:17,350 --> 01:44:15,679
there might be something more than the

2878
01:44:18,709 --> 01:44:17,360
extraterrestrial hypothesis kind of

2879
01:44:20,550 --> 01:44:18,719
happening so i'm just wondering what

2880
01:44:22,629 --> 01:44:20,560
your thoughts are in regards to you know

2881
01:44:24,470 --> 01:44:22,639
is this kind of just the same old e.t

2882
01:44:26,470 --> 01:44:24,480
shtick or you know is something else

2883
01:44:27,910 --> 01:44:26,480
going on with the ufo phenomenon that

2884
01:44:29,270 --> 01:44:27,920
isn't necessarily sort of aliens from

2885
01:44:31,030 --> 01:44:29,280
other planets in nuts and bolts

2886
01:44:32,790 --> 01:44:31,040
spacecraft for example

2887
01:44:34,310 --> 01:44:32,800
yeah that's what i was thinking before

2888
01:44:36,149 --> 01:44:34,320
when i said it might be a front for

2889
01:44:37,910 --> 01:44:36,159
something else because

2890
01:44:40,070 --> 01:44:37,920
it just seems

2891
01:44:42,790 --> 01:44:40,080
illogical to ask for the money they're

2892
01:44:44,709 --> 01:44:42,800
asking for i've never seen anybody

2893
01:44:46,229 --> 01:44:44,719
ask for a minimum of two hundred dollars

2894
01:44:47,189 --> 01:44:46,239
if you had fifty dollars they wouldn't

2895
01:44:48,950 --> 01:44:47,199
take it

2896
01:44:50,149 --> 01:44:48,960
so it's something really strange about

2897
01:44:51,669 --> 01:44:50,159
this

2898
01:44:53,910 --> 01:44:51,679
maybe they only want people with a lot

2899
01:44:55,830 --> 01:44:53,920
of money to investigate investigate

2900
01:44:57,430 --> 01:44:55,840
invest

2901
01:44:59,830 --> 01:44:57,440
but i don't think there is going to be

2902
01:45:01,830 --> 01:44:59,840
disclosure not in our time so if they're

2903
01:45:04,070 --> 01:45:01,840
trying to bring that to the forefront

2904
01:45:06,149 --> 01:45:04,080
that ain't gonna happen we know that we

2905
01:45:07,750 --> 01:45:06,159
know that whatever secret government's

2906
01:45:08,870 --> 01:45:07,760
out there won't let it happen

2907
01:45:10,550 --> 01:45:08,880
and

2908
01:45:12,310 --> 01:45:10,560
maybe there is maybe they're tapping

2909
01:45:13,590 --> 01:45:12,320
into the spiritual realm maybe that

2910
01:45:16,390 --> 01:45:13,600
because that's what's hot right now

2911
01:45:18,229 --> 01:45:16,400
that's why guy is so popular and maybe

2912
01:45:20,390 --> 01:45:18,239
they're trying to tap into that maybe

2913
01:45:22,229 --> 01:45:20,400
there's something we're not seeing

2914
01:45:24,550 --> 01:45:22,239
maybe there is

2915
01:45:27,109 --> 01:45:24,560
alien technology or maybe there's they

2916
01:45:29,590 --> 01:45:27,119
have an alien captured and maybe they're

2917
01:45:31,750 --> 01:45:29,600
getting ideas from this alien i don't

2918
01:45:34,550 --> 01:45:31,760
know man i mean you have to think crazy

2919
01:45:37,189 --> 01:45:34,560
like that to be in this field like

2920
01:45:38,550 --> 01:45:37,199
i don't see why de long is here i don't

2921
01:45:40,390 --> 01:45:38,560
see any

2922
01:45:42,550 --> 01:45:40,400
rewards that should be given to him i

2923
01:45:44,070 --> 01:45:42,560
don't really appreciate that he was

2924
01:45:46,550 --> 01:45:44,080
named

2925
01:45:47,350 --> 01:45:46,560
the ufo researcher of the year i should

2926
01:45:49,030 --> 01:45:47,360
have been

2927
01:45:50,629 --> 01:45:49,040
so you know it makes me upset that way

2928
01:45:52,950 --> 01:45:50,639
but who knows me

2929
01:45:53,990 --> 01:45:52,960
so he's he's the guy right now so we

2930
01:45:55,669 --> 01:45:54,000
have to deal with

2931
01:45:57,189 --> 01:45:55,679
the cards we're dealt with and i'm not

2932
01:45:59,669 --> 01:45:57,199
real happy with it i feel like we got

2933
01:46:01,109 --> 01:45:59,679
the joker and i feel like everybody else

2934
01:46:02,229 --> 01:46:01,119
is the other joker that comes in the

2935
01:46:03,510 --> 01:46:02,239
deck

2936
01:46:05,350 --> 01:46:03,520
and

2937
01:46:08,070 --> 01:46:05,360
we're just gonna have to just do what we

2938
01:46:09,910 --> 01:46:08,080
do here and let's talk about it make

2939
01:46:12,390 --> 01:46:09,920
sure it stays straight narrow and then

2940
01:46:14,790 --> 01:46:12,400
keep everything on a level ahead

2941
01:46:15,910 --> 01:46:14,800
it's a tough world this ufology

2942
01:46:18,870 --> 01:46:15,920
really is

2943
01:46:23,990 --> 01:46:21,109
all right and uh

2944
01:46:24,830 --> 01:46:24,000
let's see uh

2945
01:46:28,709 --> 01:46:24,840
and

2946
01:46:30,709 --> 01:46:28,719
joseph oh well i think that uh

2947
01:46:32,229 --> 01:46:30,719
like i was saying before that all of

2948
01:46:34,390 --> 01:46:32,239
this stuff is our it's already out there

2949
01:46:36,390 --> 01:46:34,400
you look at uh i know it's old but the

2950
01:46:38,149 --> 01:46:36,400
travis walton case if you want to look

2951
01:46:40,629 --> 01:46:38,159
at evidence that's probably the most

2952
01:46:42,790 --> 01:46:40,639
evidence anybody's ever seen and he did

2953
01:46:44,950 --> 01:46:42,800
a movie and a book and everything and he

2954
01:46:46,950 --> 01:46:44,960
did lie detector tests his crew went

2955
01:46:49,109 --> 01:46:46,960
through several eye detector tests they

2956
01:46:50,709 --> 01:46:49,119
did blood tests they did everything they

2957
01:46:52,950 --> 01:46:50,719
were asked to do when the community

2958
01:46:55,189 --> 01:46:52,960
asked them for proof and yet they're not

2959
01:46:56,950 --> 01:46:55,199
even mentioned but this rockstar guy is

2960
01:46:57,990 --> 01:46:56,960
supposed to be the one that's supposed

2961
01:46:59,510 --> 01:46:58,000
to do

2962
01:47:01,750 --> 01:46:59,520
you know supposed to be deliver the

2963
01:47:04,229 --> 01:47:01,760
disclosure oh it's in my book secret

2964
01:47:07,030 --> 01:47:04,239
machines now my message is that we can

2965
01:47:08,629 --> 01:47:07,040
get rid of these uh flying threats

2966
01:47:09,910 --> 01:47:08,639
because that's what these ets are

2967
01:47:12,709 --> 01:47:09,920
they're threats

2968
01:47:15,510 --> 01:47:12,719
uh you know with these cia guys standing

2969
01:47:18,550 --> 01:47:15,520
behind me but i can't talk about this

2970
01:47:21,430 --> 01:47:18,560
only in fiction right meanwhile the

2971
01:47:23,990 --> 01:47:21,440
facts are being released everywhere as

2972
01:47:26,790 --> 01:47:24,000
ufology do i think it's real yeah i

2973
01:47:28,629 --> 01:47:26,800
think if people give money to de long

2974
01:47:30,550 --> 01:47:28,639
and these government officials and these

2975
01:47:32,870 --> 01:47:30,560
corporate heads then we're doing a

2976
01:47:35,669 --> 01:47:32,880
disservice to the to the field i

2977
01:47:36,390 --> 01:47:35,679
actually believe that

2978
01:47:39,590 --> 01:47:36,400
and

2979
01:47:41,590 --> 01:47:39,600
two i'm gonna put it to joe

2980
01:47:44,870 --> 01:47:41,600
yeah i don't i don't think delong is

2981
01:47:46,709 --> 01:47:44,880
labeled every et or whatever they are a

2982
01:47:48,950 --> 01:47:46,719
threat i know there's i know he talks

2983
01:47:51,910 --> 01:47:48,960
about the bug which i'm assuming is are

2984
01:47:53,510 --> 01:47:51,920
the grays um and as far as his details

2985
01:47:55,669 --> 01:47:53,520
if you go back to the nap interview

2986
01:47:57,990 --> 01:47:55,679
before they went uh before they had the

2987
01:47:59,510 --> 01:47:58,000
crowdfunding he talked details he talked

2988
01:48:01,669 --> 01:47:59,520
a lot of details on the nap interview

2989
01:48:03,669 --> 01:48:01,679
and jimmy church interview went back and

2990
01:48:05,430 --> 01:48:03,679
listened he talks a lot of stuff back

2991
01:48:07,030 --> 01:48:05,440
then but once they did the crowdfunding

2992
01:48:08,149 --> 01:48:07,040
then he started saying well i speak for

2993
01:48:10,070 --> 01:48:08,159
other people so i don't really want to

2994
01:48:12,390 --> 01:48:10,080
go into that um

2995
01:48:13,189 --> 01:48:12,400
let me be clear about the uh the claim i

2996
01:48:16,709 --> 01:48:13,199
said

2997
01:48:18,390 --> 01:48:16,719
about the starship the starship i agree

2998
01:48:19,830 --> 01:48:18,400
i don't expect a starship to be built in

2999
01:48:21,430 --> 01:48:19,840
five to ten years like they're talking

3000
01:48:24,629 --> 01:48:21,440
about i'm just specifically talking

3001
01:48:27,030 --> 01:48:24,639
about releasing enough information that

3002
01:48:29,910 --> 01:48:27,040
gets the interest of the masses that's

3003
01:48:31,350 --> 01:48:29,920
that's basically would make me happy if

3004
01:48:32,550 --> 01:48:31,360
they release videos and they bring out

3005
01:48:34,550 --> 01:48:32,560
witnesses

3006
01:48:36,310 --> 01:48:34,560
and people and they come on 60 minutes

3007
01:48:37,990 --> 01:48:36,320
and and millions tens of millions of

3008
01:48:40,229 --> 01:48:38,000
people start taking this seriously for

3009
01:48:42,310 --> 01:48:40,239
me that's a success the other stuff i

3010
01:48:44,229 --> 01:48:42,320
don't know as far as telepathy esp

3011
01:48:45,830 --> 01:48:44,239
research i really don't know what what

3012
01:48:47,990 --> 01:48:45,840
they can do there are they gonna be able

3013
01:48:49,750 --> 01:48:48,000
to boost people's esp abilities other

3014
01:48:51,669 --> 01:48:49,760
than that i don't know anything new

3015
01:48:53,590 --> 01:48:51,679
because there's been so much research

3016
01:48:55,669 --> 01:48:53,600
there that shows there's something going

3017
01:48:57,030 --> 01:48:55,679
on there so

3018
01:48:59,430 --> 01:48:57,040
i don't know

3019
01:49:01,350 --> 01:48:59,440
and walter

3020
01:49:03,830 --> 01:49:01,360
well um

3021
01:49:07,990 --> 01:49:03,840
my views have been expressed in bits and

3022
01:49:09,430 --> 01:49:08,000
pieces um you know already i'm i'm

3023
01:49:11,590 --> 01:49:09,440
probably

3024
01:49:13,830 --> 01:49:11,600
mostly in line with what garrett said

3025
01:49:16,790 --> 01:49:13,840
i'm kind of of the same mind there it's

3026
01:49:20,390 --> 01:49:16,800
a multi-faceted phenomenon

3027
01:49:23,350 --> 01:49:20,400
and um it has an extraterrestrial

3028
01:49:25,830 --> 01:49:23,360
element it definitely has a classified

3029
01:49:27,990 --> 01:49:25,840
space program technology element that

3030
01:49:30,390 --> 01:49:28,000
you know there's also definitely a

3031
01:49:32,390 --> 01:49:30,400
spiritual element i i think there's

3032
01:49:34,629 --> 01:49:32,400
you know some

3033
01:49:35,750 --> 01:49:34,639
entity or excuse me some intelligence

3034
01:49:37,430 --> 01:49:35,760
out there

3035
01:49:39,990 --> 01:49:37,440
that um

3036
01:49:44,470 --> 01:49:40,000
kind of uh uses that

3037
01:49:47,590 --> 01:49:44,480
uses uh the et masks so to speak

3038
01:49:49,510 --> 01:49:47,600
to um manifest itself or express itself

3039
01:49:52,470 --> 01:49:49,520
to us but but this is just you know one

3040
01:49:53,669 --> 01:49:52,480
of the many facets um

3041
01:49:54,870 --> 01:49:53,679
of it

3042
01:49:57,430 --> 01:49:54,880
uh

3043
01:50:00,149 --> 01:49:57,440
you know as far as as

3044
01:50:01,830 --> 01:50:00,159
tom delong and that is concerned i i get

3045
01:50:05,669 --> 01:50:01,840
what joe's saying i

3046
01:50:10,390 --> 01:50:07,830
there are people out there that are a

3047
01:50:13,830 --> 01:50:10,400
little bit skeptical and cynical

3048
01:50:16,709 --> 01:50:13,840
in that hey i figured all this out i've

3049
01:50:19,270 --> 01:50:16,719
got the answers i'm all about revealing

3050
01:50:21,510 --> 01:50:19,280
it to you but allow me to reveal it to

3051
01:50:24,629 --> 01:50:21,520
you piecemeal as you go by each one of

3052
01:50:25,750 --> 01:50:24,639
my books and and you know buy everything

3053
01:50:27,669 --> 01:50:25,760
and

3054
01:50:28,550 --> 01:50:27,679
you know give us the investment

3055
01:50:29,669 --> 01:50:28,560
um

3056
01:50:31,430 --> 01:50:29,679
you know

3057
01:50:33,270 --> 01:50:31,440
most of us researchers

3058
01:50:36,070 --> 01:50:33,280
when we get onto something we do the

3059
01:50:37,990 --> 01:50:36,080
research and then we put what we find

3060
01:50:41,109 --> 01:50:38,000
in a book you know or go out there and

3061
01:50:44,310 --> 01:50:41,119
talk about it we don't find you know

3062
01:50:47,669 --> 01:50:44,320
like 20 years worth of secrets and then

3063
01:50:51,109 --> 01:50:47,679
uh with calculation you know release it

3064
01:50:52,390 --> 01:50:51,119
piecemeal and expect people to

3065
01:50:54,390 --> 01:50:52,400
you know

3066
01:50:55,510 --> 01:50:54,400
pay us for every

3067
01:50:57,030 --> 01:50:55,520
increment a long way i guess what i'm

3068
01:50:59,350 --> 01:50:57,040
trying to say is if he if he really

3069
01:51:01,590 --> 01:50:59,360
cares about you know the truth and

3070
01:51:02,629 --> 01:51:01,600
getting it out there why not just come

3071
01:51:05,350 --> 01:51:02,639
out and

3072
01:51:07,109 --> 01:51:05,360
you know release one big fat tidbit why

3073
01:51:08,470 --> 01:51:07,119
does he always have to say well that's

3074
01:51:09,590 --> 01:51:08,480
in the book i don't want to talk about

3075
01:51:11,669 --> 01:51:09,600
it in this interview that i've been

3076
01:51:13,189 --> 01:51:11,679
asked to come on and talk about it and i

3077
01:51:15,109 --> 01:51:13,199
and that's where people you know like

3078
01:51:17,270 --> 01:51:15,119
myself and others have

3079
01:51:18,149 --> 01:51:17,280
a problem with you know what he's doing

3080
01:51:23,189 --> 01:51:18,159
is

3081
01:51:24,870 --> 01:51:23,199
um

3082
01:51:27,430 --> 01:51:24,880
but uh

3083
01:51:28,790 --> 01:51:27,440
you know yeah um i'm with you guys you

3084
01:51:30,229 --> 01:51:28,800
know there's et out there there's all

3085
01:51:32,310 --> 01:51:30,239
sorts of these other things i'm not a

3086
01:51:35,189 --> 01:51:32,320
naysayer skeptic on all of it but i am

3087
01:51:37,030 --> 01:51:35,199
skeptical on you know

3088
01:51:38,149 --> 01:51:37,040
the the delong thing until he proves

3089
01:51:40,470 --> 01:51:38,159
that otherwise

3090
01:51:42,709 --> 01:51:40,480
maybe that slow release is part of the

3091
01:51:43,990 --> 01:51:42,719
plan to do something different you know

3092
01:51:45,990 --> 01:51:44,000
than what's going on right now maybe

3093
01:51:48,310 --> 01:51:46,000
they think a sustained effort of like

3094
01:51:50,629 --> 01:51:48,320
several several years of releasing stuff

3095
01:51:52,310 --> 01:51:50,639
slowly slowly maybe that'll work since

3096
01:51:53,750 --> 01:51:52,320
so far nothing else has worked to get

3097
01:51:55,109 --> 01:51:53,760
the interest in which really frustrates

3098
01:51:56,870 --> 01:51:55,119
me because there's so much good

3099
01:51:58,149 --> 01:51:56,880
information out there from you guys

3100
01:52:00,629 --> 01:51:58,159
other researchers that this should

3101
01:52:02,070 --> 01:52:00,639
already be a common place this would be

3102
01:52:03,990 --> 01:52:02,080
something talked about in every home and

3103
01:52:05,669 --> 01:52:04,000
it's not so i don't know maybe this will

3104
01:52:08,310 --> 01:52:05,679
work you bring up a good point that's

3105
01:52:10,790 --> 01:52:08,320
very possible that but i will say this a

3106
01:52:13,270 --> 01:52:10,800
piecemeal release to me would be

3107
01:52:15,830 --> 01:52:13,280
evidence that we are talking about you

3108
01:52:17,830 --> 01:52:15,840
know there that he is being used for the

3109
01:52:20,470 --> 01:52:17,840
government to yeah

3110
01:52:22,470 --> 01:52:20,480
do disclosure i i could see that that's

3111
01:52:24,629 --> 01:52:22,480
a that's a good point and but but to me

3112
01:52:27,030 --> 01:52:24,639
that would confirm the suspicion that

3113
01:52:30,070 --> 01:52:27,040
okay maybe the government is

3114
01:52:32,629 --> 01:52:30,080
using him as the the conduit so that's

3115
01:52:33,430 --> 01:52:32,639
possible and you're right we just got to

3116
01:52:38,950 --> 01:52:33,440
see

3117
01:52:40,629 --> 01:52:38,960
he goes he might have something that'll

3118
01:52:43,189 --> 01:52:40,639
make all of us naysayers feel like

3119
01:52:45,430 --> 01:52:43,199
idiots but we'll be glad i mean if he

3120
01:52:47,109 --> 01:52:45,440
really got something i'm gonna love it

3121
01:52:48,950 --> 01:52:47,119
that'd be totally cool

3122
01:52:49,750 --> 01:52:48,960
walter i have a question for you

3123
01:52:52,070 --> 01:52:49,760
yeah

3124
01:52:54,870 --> 01:52:52,080
so you were you said you were fbi

3125
01:52:58,550 --> 01:52:54,880
i was fbi i'm an air force officer i was

3126
01:53:02,709 --> 01:53:00,550
the office of special investigations air

3127
01:53:05,990 --> 01:53:02,719
force osi so you were so you were an

3128
01:53:10,310 --> 01:53:06,000
interrogator at times i've

3129
01:53:11,589 --> 01:53:10,320
i've used interrogative techniques yeah

3130
01:53:13,510 --> 01:53:11,599
what do you think about tom delong's

3131
01:53:15,350 --> 01:53:13,520
body language and uh speech when he's

3132
01:53:16,550 --> 01:53:15,360
being interviewed

3133
01:53:18,310 --> 01:53:16,560
uh

3134
01:53:21,189 --> 01:53:18,320
he seems squirrely to me

3135
01:53:24,229 --> 01:53:21,199
he seems like a guy who's um

3136
01:53:26,709 --> 01:53:24,239
uh now when i say squirrely i don't mean

3137
01:53:29,589 --> 01:53:26,719
that he's necessarily lying squirrelly

3138
01:53:32,870 --> 01:53:29,599
could be that he's been instructed or

3139
01:53:35,109 --> 01:53:32,880
handled to say certain things but

3140
01:53:36,950 --> 01:53:35,119
not other things that he knows that can

3141
01:53:40,229 --> 01:53:36,960
cause squirreliness so

3142
01:53:43,830 --> 01:53:40,239
squirrely here could be um uh could

3143
01:53:45,589 --> 01:53:43,840
serve his bona fides positively okay

3144
01:53:47,109 --> 01:53:45,599
as easily as it could be negatively the

3145
01:53:49,510 --> 01:53:47,119
negative side would be that he's making

3146
01:53:50,790 --> 01:53:49,520
this crap up and you know he's getting

3147
01:53:51,990 --> 01:53:50,800
squirrely about it because he doesn't

3148
01:53:54,390 --> 01:53:52,000
want to get

3149
01:53:56,550 --> 01:53:54,400
you know tripped up in nonsense but

3150
01:53:59,350 --> 01:53:56,560
it could go the other way it could be

3151
01:54:02,070 --> 01:53:59,360
you know a sign that um

3152
01:54:03,830 --> 01:54:02,080
that he really is uh

3153
01:54:06,550 --> 01:54:03,840
you know being told

3154
01:54:09,189 --> 01:54:06,560
stuff that has convinced him and might

3155
01:54:11,350 --> 01:54:09,199
be real so that that i know that seems

3156
01:54:13,830 --> 01:54:11,360
ambiguous but that's

3157
01:54:16,629 --> 01:54:13,840
my assessment of what i've seen

3158
01:54:19,589 --> 01:54:16,639
you know um and that would lead to if i

3159
01:54:22,229 --> 01:54:19,599
were the one to um interview him

3160
01:54:25,350 --> 01:54:22,239
or you know do do the subject interview

3161
01:54:26,950 --> 01:54:25,360
instead of interrogation we call that um

3162
01:54:28,550 --> 01:54:26,960
that would help me formulate what

3163
01:54:31,350 --> 01:54:28,560
questions and the line of questioning i

3164
01:54:33,589 --> 01:54:31,360
would go to try to dig in you know to

3165
01:54:36,070 --> 01:54:33,599
find the answer to why he's squirrely

3166
01:54:37,750 --> 01:54:36,080
but yeah that's what i see

3167
01:54:39,510 --> 01:54:37,760
and

3168
01:54:40,950 --> 01:54:39,520
michael is michael still there michael

3169
01:54:41,910 --> 01:54:40,960
is there i'm here

3170
01:54:46,070 --> 01:54:41,920
uh

3171
01:54:49,669 --> 01:54:46,080
away but i'll go ahead and answer his

3172
01:54:50,950 --> 01:54:49,679
question and he knows my answer uh

3173
01:54:53,270 --> 01:54:50,960
you know

3174
01:54:54,550 --> 01:54:53,280
a lot of this is a is pretty much just a

3175
01:54:57,109 --> 01:54:54,560
sideshow

3176
01:54:59,270 --> 01:54:57,119
uh it's part of ufo history people will

3177
01:55:01,830 --> 01:54:59,280
talk about these events you know decades

3178
01:55:03,750 --> 01:55:01,840
from now and however however it will

3179
01:55:04,950 --> 01:55:03,760
come out it will it will come out that

3180
01:55:07,270 --> 01:55:04,960
way

3181
01:55:12,070 --> 01:55:07,280
i think ultimately it's a negative for

3182
01:55:14,550 --> 01:55:12,080
ufology it's a negative for the subject

3183
01:55:16,470 --> 01:55:14,560
i'm interested in ufo entertainment i

3184
01:55:18,550 --> 01:55:16,480
enjoy it and i would certainly love to

3185
01:55:20,390 --> 01:55:18,560
see a flying saucer be built and i would

3186
01:55:21,270 --> 01:55:20,400
ride on that flying saucer if i had a

3187
01:55:25,030 --> 01:55:21,280
chance

3188
01:55:27,030 --> 01:55:25,040
but as a ufo researcher i am interested

3189
01:55:29,910 --> 01:55:27,040
in the phenomena

3190
01:55:31,109 --> 01:55:29,920
i am interested in anomalies

3191
01:55:33,430 --> 01:55:31,119
and

3192
01:55:36,310 --> 01:55:33,440
people are familiar with my position i

3193
01:55:39,109 --> 01:55:36,320
think uh a lot of times with regards to

3194
01:55:41,750 --> 01:55:39,119
you know the uh the eth theory or even

3195
01:55:45,430 --> 01:55:41,760
uh you know the uh the the co-creation

3196
01:55:47,990 --> 01:55:45,440
theory or whatever um i think ufology

3197
01:55:49,510 --> 01:55:48,000
has struggled with trying to find a

3198
01:55:51,030 --> 01:55:49,520
unifying

3199
01:55:53,990 --> 01:55:51,040
field theory

3200
01:55:55,510 --> 01:55:54,000
that answers all of the ufo questions

3201
01:55:58,629 --> 01:55:55,520
that have occurred

3202
01:56:01,669 --> 01:55:58,639
uh and i don't think that will happen

3203
01:56:04,149 --> 01:56:01,679
i think as researchers we need to look

3204
01:56:05,270 --> 01:56:04,159
at each case individually on their own

3205
01:56:07,830 --> 01:56:05,280
merits

3206
01:56:08,950 --> 01:56:07,840
and i think what we're dealing with is a

3207
01:56:11,990 --> 01:56:08,960
uh

3208
01:56:13,910 --> 01:56:12,000
is a variety of phenomena

3209
01:56:15,750 --> 01:56:13,920
uh some of them natural

3210
01:56:17,830 --> 01:56:15,760
some of them uh secret government

3211
01:56:19,270 --> 01:56:17,840
programs uh i don't believe in a secret

3212
01:56:21,990 --> 01:56:19,280
space force

3213
01:56:24,229 --> 01:56:22,000
or you know uh you know blue avian uh

3214
01:56:27,189 --> 01:56:24,239
space fleets or anything like that

3215
01:56:30,229 --> 01:56:27,199
but we certainly have uh uh you know

3216
01:56:31,750 --> 01:56:30,239
exotic technology maybe not anti-gravity

3217
01:56:34,709 --> 01:56:31,760
but we certainly have some kind of

3218
01:56:37,430 --> 01:56:34,719
stealth balloon or stealth lamp and we

3219
01:56:39,990 --> 01:56:37,440
certainly have uh aurora type of space

3220
01:56:43,030 --> 01:56:40,000
planes um

3221
01:56:44,229 --> 01:56:43,040
but i i think what we need to get back

3222
01:56:45,270 --> 01:56:44,239
to

3223
01:56:46,790 --> 01:56:45,280
uh

3224
01:56:47,750 --> 01:56:46,800
is not

3225
01:56:49,510 --> 01:56:47,760
you know

3226
01:56:52,310 --> 01:56:49,520
involve ourselves so much in these

3227
01:56:53,750 --> 01:56:52,320
conspiracies which we can never trust

3228
01:56:56,709 --> 01:56:53,760
the answer to

3229
01:57:00,550 --> 01:56:56,719
we need to engage the phenomena itself

3230
01:57:03,109 --> 01:57:00,560
and i say phenomena not phenomenon

3231
01:57:05,750 --> 01:57:03,119
and i the way to do that is to

3232
01:57:08,470 --> 01:57:05,760
investigate each of these cases and to

3233
01:57:10,950 --> 01:57:08,480
set up projects and to set up studies

3234
01:57:12,149 --> 01:57:10,960
and to engage what we're

3235
01:57:14,390 --> 01:57:12,159
talking about

3236
01:57:15,830 --> 01:57:14,400
uh you know tom delong talking to

3237
01:57:18,790 --> 01:57:15,840
somebody in secret is not going to

3238
01:57:21,669 --> 01:57:18,800
reveal the truths in my opinion

3239
01:57:24,229 --> 01:57:21,679
uh a tv show or a netflix cartoon

3240
01:57:25,510 --> 01:57:24,239
related to ufos is not going to reveal

3241
01:57:27,750 --> 01:57:25,520
the truth here

3242
01:57:29,830 --> 01:57:27,760
what is going to be revealed one way or

3243
01:57:31,109 --> 01:57:29,840
another whether it's a you know a real

3244
01:57:32,149 --> 01:57:31,119
sort of thing

3245
01:57:36,149 --> 01:57:32,159
uh

3246
01:57:37,030 --> 01:57:36,159
interdimensional beings aliens or

3247
01:57:39,510 --> 01:57:37,040
whatever

3248
01:57:42,229 --> 01:57:39,520
is we need to engage the subject and the

3249
01:57:44,629 --> 01:57:42,239
way to do that is to do field study and

3250
01:57:46,709 --> 01:57:44,639
i'm not finding any of that whatsoever

3251
01:57:48,229 --> 01:57:46,719
uh with tom delong hopefully there are

3252
01:57:50,709 --> 01:57:48,239
some elements in there that can push

3253
01:57:53,350 --> 01:57:50,719
some of that but my guess is that most

3254
01:57:55,270 --> 01:57:53,360
of the money for his project is going to

3255
01:57:58,310 --> 01:57:55,280
go towards his vanity entertainment

3256
01:58:00,149 --> 01:57:58,320
projects and i i think that does hurt

3257
01:58:02,310 --> 01:58:00,159
field i think

3258
01:58:04,149 --> 01:58:02,320
we're not doing the science here uh

3259
01:58:07,430 --> 01:58:04,159
because building a flying saucer is not

3260
01:58:08,390 --> 01:58:07,440
ufology sorry um

3261
01:58:10,310 --> 01:58:08,400
and

3262
01:58:12,070 --> 01:58:10,320
ultimately i think it it will be a

3263
01:58:14,790 --> 01:58:12,080
negative but

3264
01:58:16,070 --> 01:58:14,800
you know as ufology continues to go down

3265
01:58:17,830 --> 01:58:16,080
the tubes

3266
01:58:19,189 --> 01:58:17,840
i guess we'll be thoroughly entertained

3267
01:58:21,270 --> 01:58:19,199
along the way

3268
01:58:23,030 --> 01:58:21,280
i think if he can make a flying saucer

3269
01:58:24,950 --> 01:58:23,040
that can actually leave the ground

3270
01:58:26,229 --> 01:58:24,960
and elon musk finds out about that

3271
01:58:28,390 --> 01:58:26,239
something that can actually leave the

3272
01:58:30,709 --> 01:58:28,400
atmosphere he's going to whack him

3273
01:58:33,430 --> 01:58:30,719
i'm just saying i'm the first one to say

3274
01:58:35,669 --> 01:58:33,440
it if he does it's millionaires picking

3275
01:58:37,270 --> 01:58:35,679
wars with billionaires it's a completely

3276
01:58:38,709 --> 01:58:37,280
different world you don't want to piss

3277
01:58:40,390 --> 01:58:38,719
off a billionaire no no no especially

3278
01:58:41,350 --> 01:58:40,400
not like elon musk he'll just work him

3279
01:58:43,189 --> 01:58:41,360
to death

3280
01:58:46,229 --> 01:58:43,199
right hillary is not even a billionaire

3281
01:58:47,990 --> 01:58:46,239
and she whacks people all the time

3282
01:58:49,669 --> 01:58:48,000
but not you know definitely not whack

3283
01:58:50,790 --> 01:58:49,679
and bill that's for sure

3284
01:58:52,229 --> 01:58:50,800
um

3285
01:58:53,669 --> 01:58:52,239
the last question this is and this is

3286
01:58:57,109 --> 01:58:53,679
the last one for the show and again you

3287
01:59:01,589 --> 01:58:57,119
guys can take your time um

3288
01:59:04,470 --> 01:59:01,599
for the et question or the ufo question

3289
01:59:06,790 --> 01:59:04,480
do you believe that it is

3290
01:59:09,750 --> 01:59:06,800
man-made

3291
01:59:12,310 --> 01:59:09,760
extraterrestrial or extra-dimensional

3292
01:59:13,669 --> 01:59:12,320
if if it exists

3293
01:59:16,390 --> 01:59:13,679
and i'm going to start i'm going to

3294
01:59:19,589 --> 01:59:16,400
answer real quick because my answer is

3295
01:59:20,550 --> 01:59:19,599
yeah yes sure why not maybe all those

3296
01:59:28,070 --> 01:59:20,560
so

3297
01:59:29,910 --> 01:59:28,080
i i would answer but i i can't say

3298
01:59:31,750 --> 01:59:29,920
i'd say all above time travel

3299
01:59:33,990 --> 01:59:31,760
interdimensional

3300
01:59:35,430 --> 01:59:34,000
everything i i have no idea i don't even

3301
01:59:37,109 --> 01:59:35,440
know for i mean maybe we're still alone

3302
01:59:39,669 --> 01:59:37,119
who knows i don't know i mean as far as

3303
01:59:42,830 --> 01:59:39,679
other planets um i don't know but i

3304
01:59:45,270 --> 01:59:42,840
would say yes the possibility yes to

3305
01:59:47,270 --> 01:59:45,280
everything yeah i'm with them as well

3306
01:59:49,589 --> 01:59:47,280
i'll say yes to everything it's possible

3307
01:59:51,910 --> 01:59:49,599
i don't know and i i can't stand it when

3308
01:59:54,629 --> 01:59:51,920
people say this is the truth but you

3309
01:59:55,990 --> 01:59:54,639
don't know what the truth actually is

3310
01:59:57,510 --> 01:59:56,000
but um

3311
02:00:00,070 --> 01:59:57,520
the uh

3312
02:00:02,229 --> 02:00:00,080
i i i kind of think it's i think that

3313
02:00:03,350 --> 02:00:02,239
the the ets that we see they even if

3314
02:00:05,030 --> 02:00:03,360
they're government

3315
02:00:07,189 --> 02:00:05,040
they seem to be interdimensional the way

3316
02:00:08,470 --> 02:00:07,199
they can disappear because unless they

3317
02:00:10,070 --> 02:00:08,480
have some kind of really cool cloaking

3318
02:00:11,430 --> 02:00:10,080
device but i like to hope that they're

3319
02:00:13,510 --> 02:00:11,440
interdimensional

3320
02:00:14,870 --> 02:00:13,520
that stranger thing style they just

3321
02:00:16,229 --> 02:00:14,880
switch over and drive down the street

3322
02:00:18,709 --> 02:00:16,239
and switch back over you know that would

3323
02:00:21,270 --> 02:00:18,719
be that would be really cool that that

3324
02:00:23,270 --> 02:00:21,280
would be my my goal is to have that be

3325
02:00:23,990 --> 02:00:23,280
the truth so we'll see if i can manifest

3326
02:00:28,470 --> 02:00:24,000
that

3327
02:00:29,189 --> 02:00:28,480
walter

3328
02:00:32,550 --> 02:00:29,199
hey

3329
02:00:35,990 --> 02:00:32,560
count me in with the uh it's many things

3330
02:00:37,589 --> 02:00:36,000
i i sincerely am convinced of that so

3331
02:00:40,550 --> 02:00:37,599
you name it

3332
02:00:41,750 --> 02:00:40,560
and to joseph

3333
02:00:43,510 --> 02:00:41,760
yeah i'm

3334
02:00:47,030 --> 02:00:43,520
i want to believe in all three i would

3335
02:00:49,030 --> 02:00:47,040
say though the interdimensional thing uh

3336
02:00:50,470 --> 02:00:49,040
i've had my own experience with that i

3337
02:00:53,030 --> 02:00:50,480
won't go into that but i would look at

3338
02:00:55,750 --> 02:00:53,040
the work of dr richard allen miller on

3339
02:00:59,189 --> 02:00:55,760
that

3340
02:01:00,070 --> 02:00:59,199
and speaking of richard richard

3341
02:01:02,390 --> 02:01:00,080
hey

3342
02:01:06,229 --> 02:01:02,400
yeah well i agree with what everybody

3343
02:01:07,189 --> 02:01:06,239
said except i have a problem with

3344
02:01:09,430 --> 02:01:07,199
trying

3345
02:01:12,149 --> 02:01:09,440
well maybe they're psychic beings things

3346
02:01:14,070 --> 02:01:12,159
like that it's possible because i've had

3347
02:01:15,669 --> 02:01:14,080
strange experiences that's why i'm in

3348
02:01:16,550 --> 02:01:15,679
this field

3349
02:01:18,870 --> 02:01:16,560
to

3350
02:01:20,709 --> 02:01:18,880
share what i found and prove other

3351
02:01:21,510 --> 02:01:20,719
people right or wrong

3352
02:01:23,430 --> 02:01:21,520
well

3353
02:01:25,750 --> 02:01:23,440
i i just talked to joe the other night

3354
02:01:28,709 --> 02:01:25,760
joe from writing the void um i think

3355
02:01:30,629 --> 02:01:28,719
aliens and ghosts are basically the same

3356
02:01:31,669 --> 02:01:30,639
maybe they are interdimensional beings

3357
02:01:32,870 --> 02:01:31,679
maybe

3358
02:01:35,109 --> 02:01:32,880
we are

3359
02:01:36,950 --> 02:01:35,119
the eyes of the all-seeing god or

3360
02:01:38,229 --> 02:01:36,960
whatever being created us all the whole

3361
02:01:40,149 --> 02:01:38,239
planet

3362
02:01:43,030 --> 02:01:40,159
feeds this information so we could be

3363
02:01:44,709 --> 02:01:43,040
living in some sort of matrix reality we

3364
02:01:47,270 --> 02:01:44,719
don't know like we've been saying we

3365
02:01:50,310 --> 02:01:47,280
don't know but it'd be nice to imagine

3366
02:01:53,830 --> 02:01:50,320
if that was it and we know that that's a

3367
02:01:55,510 --> 02:01:53,840
possibility is just mind-blowing but

3368
02:01:57,750 --> 02:01:55,520
i don't know man i i don't think

3369
02:02:00,470 --> 02:01:57,760
disclosure's gonna happen so it's just

3370
02:02:02,149 --> 02:02:00,480
very very strange times we live in we've

3371
02:02:04,790 --> 02:02:02,159
got the internet we hear all these

3372
02:02:05,990 --> 02:02:04,800
stories across all over the world

3373
02:02:08,310 --> 02:02:06,000
and it's possible they're

3374
02:02:10,790 --> 02:02:08,320
interdimensional it's possible they're

3375
02:02:12,470 --> 02:02:10,800
ghosts guys

3376
02:02:15,189 --> 02:02:12,480
everything is possible give me a second

3377
02:02:16,580 --> 02:02:15,199
here apparently we're offline

3378
02:02:19,430 --> 02:02:16,590
hey

3379
02:02:22,229 --> 02:02:19,440
[Music]

3380
02:02:26,870 --> 02:02:22,239
oh yeah that was my fault

3381
02:02:31,030 --> 02:02:28,790
the government took us off i can't

3382
02:02:34,470 --> 02:02:31,040
believe it

3383
02:02:36,149 --> 02:02:34,480
oh no we're back on we're back online

3384
02:02:36,950 --> 02:02:36,159
so as i was saying

3385
02:02:39,430 --> 02:02:36,960
uh

3386
02:02:42,470 --> 02:02:39,440
i do think that we are all the above i

3387
02:02:44,709 --> 02:02:42,480
think ghosts are spirits i think that's

3388
02:02:45,910 --> 02:02:44,719
why we can hear them in evps because

3389
02:02:47,990 --> 02:02:45,920
they know we're talking to him and

3390
02:02:50,070 --> 02:02:48,000
they're sitting on that other dimension

3391
02:02:52,310 --> 02:02:50,080
right next to us and they're like watch

3392
02:02:54,629 --> 02:02:52,320
me watch me make this guy freak out and

3393
02:02:57,030 --> 02:02:54,639
they go you're gonna die

3394
02:02:58,790 --> 02:02:57,040
you know my god you know so i don't know

3395
02:03:00,470 --> 02:02:58,800
they could be playing with us man we

3396
02:03:02,550 --> 02:03:00,480
don't know if they were

3397
02:03:04,629 --> 02:03:02,560
uh human beings at one point and now

3398
02:03:06,950 --> 02:03:04,639
they're back to their weird selves you

3399
02:03:08,149 --> 02:03:06,960
know they can have fun with us that way

3400
02:03:09,750 --> 02:03:08,159
um

3401
02:03:11,910 --> 02:03:09,760
you know we don't know from the dream

3402
02:03:12,950 --> 02:03:11,920
world to reality to

3403
02:03:15,030 --> 02:03:12,960
being

3404
02:03:17,109 --> 02:03:15,040
asleep and paralyzed what do they call

3405
02:03:19,910 --> 02:03:17,119
that silly paralysis man people see

3406
02:03:22,550 --> 02:03:19,920
aliens in that i have dreams of aliens i

3407
02:03:24,070 --> 02:03:22,560
know other people who do why

3408
02:03:25,750 --> 02:03:24,080
i didn't think of aliens when i was

3409
02:03:28,870 --> 02:03:25,760
seven years old i was thinking of you

3410
02:03:31,109 --> 02:03:28,880
know legos and baseball so it's a very

3411
02:03:33,189 --> 02:03:31,119
strange time we live in now we have all

3412
02:03:35,430 --> 02:03:33,199
of our minds talking about it

3413
02:03:37,189 --> 02:03:35,440
that's our own disclosure but real

3414
02:03:39,830 --> 02:03:37,199
disclosure won't happen but i think the

3415
02:03:42,550 --> 02:03:39,840
aliens are here they always have been

3416
02:03:44,070 --> 02:03:42,560
and that's my story i'm sticking to it

3417
02:03:46,470 --> 02:03:44,080
there's a have you guys ever heard of

3418
02:03:47,830 --> 02:03:46,480
the theory of well like the

3419
02:03:49,270 --> 02:03:47,840
of course you probably have the demonic

3420
02:03:51,589 --> 02:03:49,280
theory that all that stuff is just

3421
02:03:52,950 --> 02:03:51,599
strictly demons or whatever yes and i

3422
02:03:55,589 --> 02:03:52,960
ridicule those people on a constant

3423
02:03:57,270 --> 02:03:55,599
basis

3424
02:03:59,350 --> 02:03:57,280
it's like if you start mixing ufology

3425
02:04:01,270 --> 02:03:59,360
with demonology and deep state with

3426
02:04:03,109 --> 02:04:01,280
illuminati you know conspiracy theories

3427
02:04:04,629 --> 02:04:03,119
i start questioning your somebody's

3428
02:04:05,589 --> 02:04:04,639
sanity not to say that i'm questioning

3429
02:04:08,070 --> 02:04:05,599
yours

3430
02:04:10,149 --> 02:04:08,080
with all due respect

3431
02:04:11,990 --> 02:04:10,159
it goes back to your original original

3432
02:04:13,830 --> 02:04:12,000
question that we should probably

3433
02:04:16,229 --> 02:04:13,840
elaborate a little bit on you know when

3434
02:04:18,470 --> 02:04:16,239
we say yes to those different possible

3435
02:04:19,990 --> 02:04:18,480
theories for for unknowns you know

3436
02:04:22,830 --> 02:04:20,000
interdimensional

3437
02:04:27,350 --> 02:04:22,840
co-creation

3438
02:04:30,629 --> 02:04:27,360
eth you know we're we're not uh implying

3439
02:04:33,270 --> 02:04:30,639
that every theory is equal or every

3440
02:04:34,629 --> 02:04:33,280
account is equal or every person making

3441
02:04:36,470 --> 02:04:34,639
a claim

3442
02:04:38,470 --> 02:04:36,480
is equal to one another

3443
02:04:40,390 --> 02:04:38,480
you know because some of these some of

3444
02:04:41,430 --> 02:04:40,400
these ideas are mutually exclusive of

3445
02:04:44,390 --> 02:04:41,440
others

3446
02:04:45,589 --> 02:04:44,400
you know and some of these uh contactees

3447
02:04:47,990 --> 02:04:45,599
and some of these proponents and

3448
02:04:49,510 --> 02:04:48,000
experiencers their experience

3449
02:04:52,070 --> 02:04:49,520
counteracts

3450
02:04:53,589 --> 02:04:52,080
or you know is different than claims

3451
02:04:56,709 --> 02:04:53,599
that other people are

3452
02:05:00,470 --> 02:04:56,719
are making you know i mean uh

3453
02:05:03,189 --> 02:05:00,480
uh what uh uh corey goode is claiming

3454
02:05:05,189 --> 02:05:03,199
can't be true and you know what

3455
02:05:06,950 --> 02:05:05,199
somebody else is claiming cannot also be

3456
02:05:09,910 --> 02:05:06,960
true you know they're sort of mutually

3457
02:05:11,910 --> 02:05:09,920
exclusive in their interpretations so uh

3458
02:05:13,510 --> 02:05:11,920
there is [\h__\h] out there

3459
02:05:15,589 --> 02:05:13,520
there are liars out there there are

3460
02:05:18,470 --> 02:05:15,599
people making stuff up there are people

3461
02:05:21,350 --> 02:05:18,480
that are full of crap not everything

3462
02:05:23,669 --> 02:05:21,360
that somebody says within the ufo world

3463
02:05:25,510 --> 02:05:23,679
needs to be respected because some of it

3464
02:05:27,589 --> 02:05:25,520
is outright [\h__\h] and you can use

3465
02:05:29,430 --> 02:05:27,599
logic and you can analyze their

3466
02:05:31,270 --> 02:05:29,440
arguments and you can analyze their

3467
02:05:33,109 --> 02:05:31,280
evidence and you can analyze their

3468
02:05:34,390 --> 02:05:33,119
backgrounds and their motives in order

3469
02:05:37,589 --> 02:05:34,400
to try to determine

3470
02:05:38,870 --> 02:05:37,599
you know which of the of the hypotheses

3471
02:05:41,350 --> 02:05:38,880
which of the stories which of the

3472
02:05:44,229 --> 02:05:41,360
characters personalities or whatever

3473
02:05:45,589 --> 02:05:44,239
are are better you know than others so

3474
02:05:47,430 --> 02:05:45,599
you know i think all of us would

3475
02:05:50,470 --> 02:05:47,440
probably agree that you know when we say

3476
02:05:53,030 --> 02:05:50,480
all of the above we we say that as as

3477
02:05:54,149 --> 02:05:53,040
being possibilities to the unknown

3478
02:05:57,270 --> 02:05:54,159
aspect

3479
02:05:59,189 --> 02:05:57,280
of of these phenomena that people are

3480
02:06:02,950 --> 02:05:59,199
experiencing

3481
02:06:04,550 --> 02:06:02,960
and thank you very much and mj

3482
02:06:06,470 --> 02:06:04,560
yeah i

3483
02:06:08,390 --> 02:06:06,480
my entire sort of ufological philosophy

3484
02:06:11,430 --> 02:06:08,400
hinges upon the idea that if somebody

3485
02:06:12,950 --> 02:06:11,440
says they 100 know what's going on

3486
02:06:14,950 --> 02:06:12,960
they're either delusional or trying to

3487
02:06:16,550 --> 02:06:14,960
sell you something

3488
02:06:17,510 --> 02:06:16,560
and i think that sort of

3489
02:06:19,030 --> 02:06:17,520
as

3490
02:06:21,109 --> 02:06:19,040
sort of you fall just going into the

3491
02:06:23,430 --> 02:06:21,119
future as sort of this panel has

3492
02:06:25,430 --> 02:06:23,440
commented you know with potential sort

3493
02:06:26,629 --> 02:06:25,440
of corporate engagement and media and

3494
02:06:28,229 --> 02:06:26,639
all that we have to be much more

3495
02:06:30,390 --> 02:06:28,239
critical i think of

3496
02:06:32,550 --> 02:06:30,400
um sort of the euphological world around

3497
02:06:34,550 --> 02:06:32,560
us i agree with with michael that we

3498
02:06:36,149 --> 02:06:34,560
can't necessarily buy every single

3499
02:06:37,669 --> 02:06:36,159
theory and we can't necessarily respect

3500
02:06:40,790 --> 02:06:37,679
every single theory because like you

3501
02:06:43,109 --> 02:06:40,800
said a lot of them cancel out um

3502
02:06:45,750 --> 02:06:43,119
there's a lot of of stuff even within

3503
02:06:47,109 --> 02:06:45,760
sort of popular ufo within the popular

3504
02:06:49,430 --> 02:06:47,119
urethral narrative that doesn't make

3505
02:06:52,069 --> 02:06:49,440
sense you know we often refer to the

3506
02:06:53,990 --> 02:06:52,079
pilots of these ufos and and and the

3507
02:06:56,390 --> 02:06:54,000
alien species or whatever they are as

3508
02:06:57,669 --> 02:06:56,400
being sort of hyper intelligent um you

3509
02:06:59,669 --> 02:06:57,679
know

3510
02:07:02,149 --> 02:06:59,679
incredibly more advanced than us yet

3511
02:07:04,149 --> 02:07:02,159
they still crash into a mexico or a new

3512
02:07:06,550 --> 02:07:04,159
mexico desert or whatever right so you

3513
02:07:08,709 --> 02:07:06,560
know these issues counter sort of act

3514
02:07:11,030 --> 02:07:08,719
how can a hyper advanced species that's

3515
02:07:12,550 --> 02:07:11,040
interdimensional and has

3516
02:07:14,709 --> 02:07:12,560
incredible intelligence

3517
02:07:15,830 --> 02:07:14,719
so much beyond humanity still you know

3518
02:07:19,030 --> 02:07:15,840
slam

3519
02:07:21,430 --> 02:07:19,040
their flying saucer into a desert um

3520
02:07:23,510 --> 02:07:21,440
it doesn't sort of make logical sense

3521
02:07:25,510 --> 02:07:23,520
so i agree i think i think we just kind

3522
02:07:26,870 --> 02:07:25,520
of need to be careful in regards to my

3523
02:07:28,629 --> 02:07:26,880
personal philosophy i sort of agree with

3524
02:07:29,430 --> 02:07:28,639
the panel i don't know what's going on

3525
02:07:34,550 --> 02:07:29,440
um

3526
02:07:38,229 --> 02:07:34,560
i'll ever know so all i can say is i

3527
02:07:40,069 --> 02:07:38,239
just i just want to believe

3528
02:07:42,069 --> 02:07:40,079
that's very good and again for anybody

3529
02:07:44,310 --> 02:07:42,079
who's watching we will be continuing the

3530
02:07:47,589 --> 02:07:44,320
discussion uh in the discord server the

3531
02:07:49,030 --> 02:07:47,599
link is in the show notes uh yes we're

3532
02:07:51,270 --> 02:07:49,040
trying to push the discord server make

3533
02:07:53,430 --> 02:07:51,280
it a thing because why the hell not uh

3534
02:07:54,470 --> 02:07:53,440
be able to keep everyone connected in

3535
02:07:56,550 --> 02:07:54,480
this world

3536
02:07:58,229 --> 02:07:56,560
uh under the banner of

3537
02:07:59,750 --> 02:07:58,239
finding out some information at least

3538
02:08:01,189 --> 02:07:59,760
i'm learning some cool [\h__\h]

3539
02:08:03,430 --> 02:08:01,199
i'm gonna give around to everyone to be

3540
02:08:05,189 --> 02:08:03,440
able to plug their [\h__\h] because you guys

3541
02:08:08,149 --> 02:08:05,199
have given me your time and i want to

3542
02:08:09,990 --> 02:08:08,159
make sure that i can repay in kind by

3543
02:08:11,350 --> 02:08:10,000
being able to provide you with some

3544
02:08:12,229 --> 02:08:11,360
small promotion

3545
02:08:14,390 --> 02:08:12,239
and

3546
02:08:18,470 --> 02:08:14,400
a chance to give you a give

3547
02:08:22,709 --> 02:08:19,910
so i'm going to start with uh you know

3548
02:08:25,030 --> 02:08:22,719
mj already on the screen go for it sure

3549
02:08:26,709 --> 02:08:25,040
yeah so um i'm uh

3550
02:08:28,550 --> 02:08:26,719
i contribute to mysterious universe i'm

3551
02:08:31,510 --> 02:08:28,560
also a blogger you can find my blog at

3552
02:08:33,589 --> 02:08:31,520
www.terraobscura.net

3553
02:08:35,990 --> 02:08:33,599
and predominantly it's sort of culture

3554
02:08:37,430 --> 02:08:36,000
and theory in regards to ufos not

3555
02:08:39,270 --> 02:08:37,440
necessarily sort of trying to figure out

3556
02:08:41,510 --> 02:08:39,280
what ufos are so if you're into sort of

3557
02:08:42,709 --> 02:08:41,520
philosophy and culture

3558
02:08:43,750 --> 02:08:42,719
come check it out

3559
02:08:52,069 --> 02:08:43,760
thank you

3560
02:08:55,189 --> 02:08:52,079
on here hey i have the paranormal code

3561
02:08:57,030 --> 02:08:55,199
and that is a paranormal show

3562
02:08:58,709 --> 02:08:57,040
it's on lighting it's on lighting devoid

3563
02:09:00,870 --> 02:08:58,719
i can't believe i just said that it's on

3564
02:09:02,790 --> 02:09:00,880
the fringe fm where you can find

3565
02:09:04,950 --> 02:09:02,800
lighting the void and joe roop in his

3566
02:09:06,229 --> 02:09:04,960
show i'm on sunday nights

3567
02:09:08,950 --> 02:09:06,239
7 p.m

3568
02:09:11,270 --> 02:09:08,960
and thursday nights at 7 00 p.m starting

3569
02:09:13,669 --> 02:09:11,280
next thursday finally our first show

3570
02:09:15,910 --> 02:09:13,679
during the week and um

3571
02:09:18,310 --> 02:09:15,920
i have a youtube channel you can go to

3572
02:09:20,550 --> 02:09:18,320
it's the paranormal code and facebook

3573
02:09:22,390 --> 02:09:20,560
paranormal code and uh

3574
02:09:23,350 --> 02:09:22,400
i'll be posting a lot of videos up there

3575
02:09:25,189 --> 02:09:23,360
and

3576
02:09:27,030 --> 02:09:25,199
a lot of good stuff about to come out on

3577
02:09:29,669 --> 02:09:27,040
the paranormal code so i hope you guys

3578
02:09:31,830 --> 02:09:29,679
check it out as i will for you too

3579
02:09:33,830 --> 02:09:31,840
and that is that and again thank you

3580
02:09:35,830 --> 02:09:33,840
very much i listened to your uh last

3581
02:09:38,550 --> 02:09:35,840
episode with uh jesse he unfortunately

3582
02:09:39,830 --> 02:09:38,560
could not make it tonight um and i have

3583
02:09:41,030 --> 02:09:39,840
to say i've not heard so much swearing

3584
02:09:43,270 --> 02:09:41,040
since the last time i actually heard one

3585
02:09:44,310 --> 02:09:43,280
of my shows and you guys mispronounced

3586
02:09:47,990 --> 02:09:44,320
my name

3587
02:09:51,030 --> 02:09:49,430
i'm just pulling your chain man it was a

3588
02:09:53,030 --> 02:09:51,040
it's a good show you guys do good work

3589
02:09:54,550 --> 02:09:53,040
and thank you very much for coming on uh

3590
02:09:56,310 --> 02:09:54,560
joseph

3591
02:09:57,830 --> 02:09:56,320
yeah like he was saying uh my show is

3592
02:09:59,430 --> 02:09:57,840
called lighting the void at

3593
02:10:02,550 --> 02:09:59,440
lightingthevoid.com comes on every

3594
02:10:06,069 --> 02:10:02,560
tuesday wednesday night 7pm pacific time

3595
02:10:08,390 --> 02:10:06,079
and i'm also the producer of the fringe

3596
02:10:10,390 --> 02:10:08,400
dot fm producer and owner

3597
02:10:12,629 --> 02:10:10,400
of that network and which rich's show

3598
02:10:14,550 --> 02:10:12,639
comes on to and a ton of other shows so

3599
02:10:16,229 --> 02:10:14,560
go check out that digital network if you

3600
02:10:18,310 --> 02:10:16,239
get time and just a shameless plug i'll

3601
02:10:20,149 --> 02:10:18,320
be on wednesday's show with this coming

3602
02:10:21,750 --> 02:10:20,159
up yep so that's right

3603
02:10:24,550 --> 02:10:21,760
can't wait

3604
02:10:26,390 --> 02:10:24,560
and to joe

3605
02:10:28,709 --> 02:10:26,400
well i haven't updated in a while but

3606
02:10:31,510 --> 02:10:28,719
now i'm gonna have to update it it's a a

3607
02:10:33,709 --> 02:10:31,520
dress report for liberals it's a

3608
02:10:36,629 --> 02:10:33,719
merge report.com

3609
02:10:38,950 --> 02:10:36,639
m-e-r-g-e report and i also on the right

3610
02:10:40,870 --> 02:10:38,960
column try to focus on paranormal ufo

3611
02:10:42,790 --> 02:10:40,880
stuff try to stick with solid stuff but

3612
02:10:44,709 --> 02:10:42,800
it's kind of hard to find a lot of times

3613
02:10:46,069 --> 02:10:44,719
and when i'm not working in television i

3614
02:10:47,430 --> 02:10:46,079
drive for uber

3615
02:10:50,069 --> 02:10:47,440
and i try to get passengers to talk

3616
02:10:51,589 --> 02:10:50,079
about paranormal and usually most of the

3617
02:10:52,870 --> 02:10:51,599
time it's silence but i've gotten some

3618
02:10:56,750 --> 02:10:52,880
good stories

3619
02:10:59,669 --> 02:10:56,760
and so my stranger stories dot or my

3620
02:11:01,510 --> 02:10:59,679
strangerstories.net plural stories and

3621
02:11:03,270 --> 02:11:01,520
um i had some pretty good uh stories

3622
02:11:04,629 --> 02:11:03,280
recently i have to write up

3623
02:11:06,470 --> 02:11:04,639
surprisingly

3624
02:11:07,189 --> 02:11:06,480
well thank you very much and uh again

3625
02:11:08,709 --> 02:11:07,199
it's

3626
02:11:10,950 --> 02:11:08,719
thank you very much for for making it

3627
02:11:13,830 --> 02:11:10,960
back so quickly from from work and for

3628
02:11:16,310 --> 02:11:13,840
joining us this afternoon where you are

3629
02:11:18,069 --> 02:11:16,320
uh walter

3630
02:11:21,430 --> 02:11:18,079
ah okay i have a blog

3631
02:11:25,910 --> 02:11:23,430
i get into some of the other stuff that

3632
02:11:27,589 --> 02:11:25,920
i've researched that not related to ufos

3633
02:11:30,149 --> 02:11:27,599
and things

3634
02:11:33,750 --> 02:11:30,159
also my books are print on demand only

3635
02:11:36,149 --> 02:11:33,760
at lulu.com you can find my nonfiction

3636
02:11:37,990 --> 02:11:36,159
and fiction i write weird pulp fiction

3637
02:11:40,229 --> 02:11:38,000
novels they're a lot of fun you can find

3638
02:11:42,709 --> 02:11:40,239
both of those just look my name up on

3639
02:11:45,750 --> 02:11:42,719
lulu.com and then of course i do

3640
02:11:48,709 --> 02:11:45,760
commentary videos um at the walter

3641
02:11:51,270 --> 02:11:48,719
bosley channel on youtube uh commentary

3642
02:11:52,790 --> 02:11:51,280
and research related videos i post about

3643
02:11:54,390 --> 02:11:52,800
every couple of weeks

3644
02:11:55,910 --> 02:11:54,400
and if you go there

3645
02:11:58,709 --> 02:11:55,920
when you see me talking about the

3646
02:12:02,310 --> 02:11:58,719
society of lizards no i am not talking

3647
02:12:09,910 --> 02:12:04,550
what was your last name again

3648
02:12:13,350 --> 02:12:11,350
and uh just a quick shout out to joe

3649
02:12:14,709 --> 02:12:13,360
from the carolinas who joined us in chat

3650
02:12:16,390 --> 02:12:14,719
i know that a couple of you already know

3651
02:12:18,310 --> 02:12:16,400
who joe is and he's been a good friend

3652
02:12:20,870 --> 02:12:18,320
of the den of lore and much appreciated

3653
02:12:23,270 --> 02:12:20,880
for you joining us tonight uh to michael

3654
02:12:26,390 --> 02:12:23,280
huntington

3655
02:12:30,550 --> 02:12:26,400
well uh i do the uh occasional radio

3656
02:12:31,669 --> 02:12:30,560
show uh with you uh we do uh uh enigmas

3657
02:12:33,990 --> 02:12:31,679
and [\h__\h]

3658
02:12:35,990 --> 02:12:34,000
[\h__\h] which is which is uh sort of an

3659
02:12:37,990 --> 02:12:36,000
irreverent uh

3660
02:12:41,270 --> 02:12:38,000
it's it's more like sports commentary

3661
02:12:44,310 --> 02:12:41,280
for the ufo world uh we do that uh

3662
02:12:47,109 --> 02:12:44,320
every other week or so on uh uh i get

3663
02:12:50,629 --> 02:12:47,119
like mondays or tuesdays uh

3664
02:12:52,790 --> 02:12:50,639
mostly i uh uh i'm a travel writer a

3665
02:12:57,030 --> 02:12:52,800
paranormal travel writer i travel around

3666
02:13:00,470 --> 02:12:57,040
with uh my family to uh ufo uh locations

3667
02:13:03,990 --> 02:13:00,480
historic ufo locations haunted houses uh

3668
02:13:06,310 --> 02:13:04,000
encrypted uh sighting locations and uh i

3669
02:13:09,109 --> 02:13:06,320
blog about uh those

3670
02:13:10,629 --> 02:13:09,119
uh i'm on all social media you can find

3671
02:13:12,550 --> 02:13:10,639
a lot of that stuff

3672
02:13:14,390 --> 02:13:12,560
i give it away for free but uh

3673
02:13:17,589 --> 02:13:14,400
ultimately all this is going into some

3674
02:13:19,910 --> 02:13:17,599
books into some art projects uh

3675
02:13:22,229 --> 02:13:19,920
uh i i do have a regular job and i do

3676
02:13:26,149 --> 02:13:22,239
have kids so you know i'm not at the

3677
02:13:28,790 --> 02:13:26,159
full-time uh level uh with this

3678
02:13:30,950 --> 02:13:28,800
i i pretty much uh you know get out

3679
02:13:32,790 --> 02:13:30,960
there and explore

3680
02:13:34,550 --> 02:13:32,800
explore the community and explore the

3681
02:13:37,270 --> 02:13:34,560
history and the folklore and try to

3682
02:13:39,189 --> 02:13:37,280
document it um

3683
02:13:42,149 --> 02:13:39,199
that's pretty much it

3684
02:13:45,910 --> 02:13:42,159
and finally to that guy

3685
02:13:49,510 --> 02:13:45,920
yeah and that is spelled t-h-a-t space

3686
02:13:52,229 --> 02:13:49,520
g-u-y um i'm that guy from the uh

3687
02:13:53,990 --> 02:13:52,239
healers and hellraisers podcast um i'm

3688
02:13:56,470 --> 02:13:54,000
an up-and-coming podcast i have i have

3689
02:13:59,030 --> 02:13:56,480
yet to even release my first episode um

3690
02:14:00,069 --> 02:13:59,040
but we're in process um the show's gonna

3691
02:14:01,910 --> 02:14:00,079
be

3692
02:14:04,149 --> 02:14:01,920
um well pretty much kind of

3693
02:14:05,990 --> 02:14:04,159
self-explanatory healers and hellraisers

3694
02:14:07,910 --> 02:14:06,000
um my first guest is gonna be the

3695
02:14:09,750 --> 02:14:07,920
praying medic uh which you can find at

3696
02:14:12,550 --> 02:14:09,760
the prayingmedia.com excellent guy and

3697
02:14:14,229 --> 02:14:12,560
the guy after that is an ex-hitman for

3698
02:14:15,990 --> 02:14:14,239
the italian mob french mob and a couple

3699
02:14:17,830 --> 02:14:16,000
other places

3700
02:14:20,229 --> 02:14:17,840
so it's going to be a really interesting

3701
02:14:22,069 --> 02:14:20,239
show i've got a lot of guests lined up

3702
02:14:23,830 --> 02:14:22,079
real similar to that and you can also

3703
02:14:25,990 --> 02:14:23,840
find me on the last or the halloween

3704
02:14:28,310 --> 02:14:26,000
episode of grimerica with dave bryan who

3705
02:14:30,629 --> 02:14:28,320
was definitely one of the healers slash

3706
02:14:31,990 --> 02:14:30,639
hellraisers so anyways have a good night

3707
02:14:33,350 --> 02:14:32,000
you guys thank you very much for having

3708
02:14:34,390 --> 02:14:33,360
me it's a pleasure to have you and again

3709
02:14:36,790 --> 02:14:34,400
i'm just going to give a plug to

3710
02:14:38,950 --> 02:14:36,800
crimerica one of the greatest podcasts

3711
02:14:41,430 --> 02:14:38,960
on the planet and one of the reasons why

3712
02:14:43,430 --> 02:14:41,440
this show exists uh darren graham thank

3713
02:14:46,870 --> 02:14:43,440
you very much for all of your support as

3714
02:14:49,589 --> 02:14:46,880
well as your time tonight um i hope this

3715
02:14:51,030 --> 02:14:49,599
snow does not hit you too hard and again

3716
02:14:54,390 --> 02:14:51,040
hope hopefully get to listen to you guys

3717
02:14:55,910 --> 02:14:54,400
in the igloo soon so and my name is uh

3718
02:14:57,990 --> 02:14:55,920
let's see if i can actually just switch

3719
02:14:58,790 --> 02:14:58,000
back here give me a second guys

3720
02:15:00,390 --> 02:14:58,800
um

3721
02:15:03,750 --> 02:15:00,400
my name is chris george zuger i am the

3722
02:15:06,629 --> 02:15:03,760
host of den of lore uh and uh next

3723
02:15:08,390 --> 02:15:06,639
week's show we actually have

3724
02:15:10,550 --> 02:15:08,400
a few coming up again check out

3725
02:15:13,270 --> 02:15:10,560
denver.com check out the twitter page

3726
02:15:14,709 --> 02:15:13,280
twitter.com forward slash den of lore uh

3727
02:15:16,709 --> 02:15:14,719
subscribe to the youtube channel and go

3728
02:15:19,109 --> 02:15:16,719
check out the patreon page because i

3729
02:15:22,709 --> 02:15:19,119
disseminate the news everywhere

3730
02:15:24,790 --> 02:15:22,719
um next week on the show you know i

3731
02:15:27,350 --> 02:15:24,800
actually should have had this available

3732
02:15:28,550 --> 02:15:27,360
i do apologize no i'll just check double

3733
02:15:30,790 --> 02:15:28,560
check the calendar

3734
02:15:32,069 --> 02:15:30,800
so again i i just want to build a thank

3735
02:15:34,149 --> 02:15:32,079
you while i'm bringing this all up here

3736
02:15:36,790 --> 02:15:34,159
guys for for coming on tonight um and

3737
02:15:39,589 --> 02:15:36,800
next week we've got laura london uh on

3738
02:15:41,990 --> 02:15:39,599
friday that's going to be at 8 00 p.m

3739
02:15:43,669 --> 02:15:42,000
eastern standard time uh which i believe

3740
02:15:47,350 --> 02:15:43,679
is

3741
02:15:49,430 --> 02:15:47,360
7 6 5 5 p.m pacific i could be wrong 5

3742
02:15:52,470 --> 02:15:49,440
pm pacific we're gonna have laura london

3743
02:15:55,109 --> 02:15:52,480
on talking about uh jung philosophy uh

3744
02:15:58,069 --> 02:15:55,119
she has a podcast uh speaking of jung go

3745
02:15:59,189 --> 02:15:58,079
check it out and uh it should be a very

3746
02:16:02,229 --> 02:15:59,199
interesting

3747
02:16:04,310 --> 02:16:02,239
and thoughtful evening so uh guys uh for

3748
02:16:06,470 --> 02:16:04,320
you all i'm gonna play the outro music

3749
02:16:09,990 --> 02:16:06,480
and michael you'll know this one because

3750
02:16:13,350 --> 02:16:10,000
it is our enigmas and [\h__\h]

3751
02:16:17,430 --> 02:16:15,830
no it is not actually

3752
02:16:18,950 --> 02:16:17,440
oh i remember i reloaded all the music

3753
02:16:20,149 --> 02:16:18,960
on this one

3754
02:16:22,390 --> 02:16:20,159
uh

3755
02:16:24,790 --> 02:16:22,400
do i actually have it on here

3756
02:16:27,030 --> 02:16:24,800
well [\h__\h]

3757
02:16:28,950 --> 02:16:27,040
so

3758
02:16:30,709 --> 02:16:28,960
guys i'm gonna skip out i gotta go pick

3759
02:16:31,669 --> 02:16:30,719
up my kid from work not a problem thank

3760
02:16:38,230 --> 02:16:31,679
you

3761
02:16:40,790 --> 02:16:39,589
bye

3762
02:16:43,110 --> 02:16:40,800
all right this one's actually from a

3763
02:16:46,709 --> 02:16:43,120
friend of mine abe van damme this is uh

3764
02:16:49,990 --> 02:16:48,549
give a good shout out i know a b listens

3765
02:16:51,669 --> 02:16:50,000
to the show he's a producer go check him

3766
02:16:55,750 --> 02:16:51,679
out

3767
02:16:58,790 --> 02:16:55,760
ladies and denizens

3768
02:17:01,030 --> 02:16:58,800
and space aliens reptilians of all kinds

3769
02:17:03,429 --> 02:17:01,040
especially to deep state

3770
02:17:05,990 --> 02:17:03,439
folks who've been watching the show

3771
02:17:08,309 --> 02:17:06,000
this has been the den of lore

3772
02:17:09,669 --> 02:17:08,319
thank you all

3773
02:17:15,270 --> 02:17:09,679
and have yourself a good night i will

3774
02:17:15,280 --> 02:17:20,080
and signing off

3775
02:17:20,090 --> 02:18:03,110
[Music]

3776
02:18:03,120 --> 02:18:06,740
so

3777
02:18:06,750 --> 02:18:32,389
[Music]

3778
02:18:32,399 --> 02:18:41,310
so